[Nhcoll-l] Inquiry about polycarbonate pails and glass pickle jars for fluid-preserved specimens
John E Simmons
simmons.johne at gmail.com
Thu Mar 12 10:09:36 EDT 2015
Curtis,
Thanks for the information on the lids. I have not seen these before but I
agree with Andy, looks like a great lid.
The only problems I can see are those for any HDPE bucket (which are easy
to deal with from a management point of view), which are that HDPE is UV
sensitive so you want to make sure that buckets exposed to UV (especially
if they are used in the field) are very closely monitored for evidence of
cracking, and HDPE is not as resistant to oxygen penetration as steel or
glass (this is probably a very minor issue considering that we open an
close the containers all the time). And of course round containers is not
as efficient a use of space as rectangular containers.
Given the price differential between steel and HDPE, these look like a very
good alternative. Thanks for providing the information on the lids and your
record of 12 years experience with them. I suspect these probably seal
better than many steel tanks do.
--John
John E. Simmons
Museologica
128 E. Burnside Street
Bellefonte, Pennsylvania 16823-2010
simmons.johne at gmail.com
303-681-5708
www.museologica.com
and
Adjunct Curator of Collections
Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery
Penn State University
University Park, Pennsylvania
and
Instructor, Museum Studies
School of Library and Information Science
Kent State University
and
Lecturer in Art
Juniata College
Huntingdon, Pennsylvania
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:57 PM, Curtis J Schmidt <cjschmidt at fhsu.edu>
wrote:
> John,
>
> The lids are made of high density polyethylene (HDPE). Two separate
> gaskets make them air tight. The outer rim of the bucket contains a gasket
> and snaps onto the rim of the bucket tight. It snaps on tight, and I mean
> TIGHT! It takes a tremendous amount of force to get them on, and once they
> are snapped on, you will not get them off. The bucket is then closed with a
> center that screws into the outer rim, much like a typical jar enclosure.
> There is a gasket around the inside of the center piece that forms a tight
> seal when screwed down. It's kind of funny, as people that are not familiar
> with these lids have trouble figuring out how to take the lid off. It forms
> such a good seal that you can't tell that the lid is 2 pieces. We have used
> them for 12 years and have had zero problem with evaporation. It's a cheap
> alternative to the steel tanks for things such as turtles, large frogs, and
> large snakes. Do you know of any problems from storing specimens long-term
> in plastic buckets?
>
> Curtis
>
> ______________________________
>
> Curtis J. Schmidt
> Zoological Collections Manager
> Sternberg Museum of Natural History
> Fort Hays State University
> 3000 Sternberg Drive
> Hays, KS 67601
> (785) 628-5504 (collections)
> (785) 650-2447 (cell)
> ______________________________
>
>
> -----John E Simmons <simmons.johne at gmail.com> wrote: -----
> To: Curtis J Schmidt <cjschmidt at fhsu.edu>
> From: John E Simmons <simmons.johne at gmail.com>
> Date: 03/11/2015 09:23PM
> Cc: Laura Abraczinskas <abraczi1 at msu.edu>, "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" <
> nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
>
> Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Inquiry about polycarbonate pails and glass pickle
> jars for fluid-preserved specimens
>
> Curtis,
> What kind of plastic are the lids made of? Can you describe how they work?
> And how long have you been using them?
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
>
> John E. Simmons
> Museologica
> 128 E. Burnside Street
> Bellefonte, Pennsylvania 16823-2010
> simmons.johne at gmail.com
> 303-681-5708
> www.museologica.com
> and
> Adjunct Curator of Collections
> Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery
> Penn State University
> University Park, Pennsylvania
> and
> Instructor, Museum Studies
> School of Library and Information Science
> Kent State University
> and
> Lecturer in Art
> Juniata College
> Huntingdon, Pennsylvania
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Curtis J Schmidt <cjschmidt at fhsu.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Our herpetology division uses 5 gallon plastic buckets with gamma seal
>> lids. Do a simple google search for "gamma seal lids" and you will see
>> numerous distributors for such. They work great!
>>
>> Curtis
>>
>> ______________________________
>>
>> Curtis J. Schmidt
>> Zoological Collections Manager
>> Sternberg Museum of Natural History
>> Fort Hays State University
>> 3000 Sternberg Drive
>> Hays, KS 67601
>> (785) 628-5504 (collections)
>> (785) 650-2447 (cell)
>> ______________________________
>>
>>
>> -----nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu wrote: -----
>> To: "'Bentley, Andrew Charles'" <abentley at ku.edu>, <
>> nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
>> From: "Laura Abraczinskas"
>> Sent by: nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu
>> Date: 03/11/2015 05:23PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Inquiry about polycarbonate pails and glass
>> pickle jars for fluid-preserved specimens
>>
>>
>> Thank you very much Andy.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ll try to contact the/a person about the “large size lids”. A search
>> on the O.Berk website shows that their largest plastic closure with
>> screw threads is 120mm size. (I believe Kols is now part of O.Berk).
>>
>>
>>
>> And, it has been pointed out that the Anchor Hocking glass pickle
>> barrel jar (2.5 gallon size) has a lid that does not screw down and
>> does not seal (even though the lid has threads)!
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Laura
>>
>>
>>
>> Laura Abraczinskas, Collections Manager
>>
>> Vertebrate Collections
>>
>> Michigan State University Museum
>>
>> 409 West Circle Drive, Room 103
>>
>> East Lansing, Michigan 48824
>>
>>
>>
>> 517/355-1290 Office Phone
>>
>> 517/432-2846 FAX
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bentley, Andrew Charles [mailto:abentley at ku.edu]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2015 5:29 PM
>> *To:* Laura Abraczinskas; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
>> *Subject:* RE: [Nhcoll-l] Inquiry about polycarbonate pails and glass
>> pickle jars for fluid-preserved specimens
>>
>>
>>
>> Laura
>>
>>
>>
>> Our herpetology division has been using the polycarbonate pails for
>> temporary storage of incoming material from the field. They are great in
>> that they are clear and as such contents are visible easily (not sure what
>> effect light has on specimens due to this) BUT they do not seal well at all
>> - no gasket or positive seal of any kind. They leak if tipped. Not sure
>> if a gasket could be inserted into the lid to create such a seal – maybe a
>> modified tank gasket from Delta or Steel Fixtures?
>>
>>
>>
>> As for lids for oversized jars, you may want to check Kols Containers who
>> have, in the past, indicated that these are still available. Try
>> contacting Judy Bounds at (401) 646-2300 or jbounds at kolscontainers.com.
>> We too have some of those larger glass crocks that we guard with our life
>> as they are not available anywhere J
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope that helps
>>
>>
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>>
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>> Andy Bentley
>> Ichthyology Collection Manager
>> University of Kansas
>> Biodiversity Institute
>>
>> Dyche Hall
>> 1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
>> Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
>> USA
>>
>> Tel: (785) 864-3863
>> Fax: (785) 864-5335
>> Email: abentley at ku.edu
>>
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>> *From:* nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu [
>> mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu
>> <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Laura Abraczinskas
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2015 4:18 PM
>> *To:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
>> *Subject:* [Nhcoll-l] Inquiry about polycarbonate pails and glass pickle
>> jars for fluid-preserved specimens
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>>
>> We need to replace some of our white plastic/HDPE buckets (2 to 5 gallon
>> size) that hold fluid-preserved vertebrate specimens. We also have some
>> large glass pickle jars from the 1960s (approx 3 gallon size with neck
>> handles). These have metal lids that need replacing. The old lids are
>> larger than 120mm size.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am wondering if anyone has experienced problems with or has further
>> advice about polycarbonate plastic pails and lids that were recommended
>> several years ago?
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> I see that Anchor Hocking makes a glass pickle barrel jar (2.5 gallon
>> size) but the lid is aluminum.
>>
>> See for example
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> (Also available from other sources at lower cost).
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know of sources for replacement plastic lids for large glass
>> containers such as these?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you very much,
>>
>> Laura
>>
>>
>>
>> Laura Abraczinskas, Collections Manager
>>
>> Vertebrate Collections
>>
>> Michigan State University Museum
>>
>> 409 West Circle Drive, Room 103
>>
>> East Lansing, Michigan 48824
>>
>>
>>
>> 517/355-1290 Office Phone
>>
>> 517/432-2846 FAX
>>
>>
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