[Nhcoll-l] Inquiry about polycarbonate pails and glass pickle jars for fluid-preserved specimens
Laura Abraczinskas
abraczi1 at msu.edu
Thu Mar 12 20:02:14 EDT 2015
Thanks to everyone for all of the very helpful information! I had not seen these lids either, and will definitely look into using them at our museum.
Best,
Laura
Laura Abraczinskas, Collections Manager
Vertebrate Collections
Michigan State University Museum
409 West Circle Drive, Room 103
East Lansing, Michigan 48824
517/355-1290 Office Phone
517/432-2846 FAX
From: John E Simmons [mailto:simmons.johne at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:10 AM
To: Curtis J Schmidt
Cc: Laura Abraczinskas; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Inquiry about polycarbonate pails and glass pickle jars for fluid-preserved specimens
Curtis,
Thanks for the information on the lids. I have not seen these before but I agree with Andy, looks like a great lid.
The only problems I can see are those for any HDPE bucket (which are easy to deal with from a management point of view), which are that HDPE is UV sensitive so you want to make sure that buckets exposed to UV (especially if they are used in the field) are very closely monitored for evidence of cracking, and HDPE is not as resistant to oxygen penetration as steel or glass (this is probably a very minor issue considering that we open an close the containers all the time). And of course round containers is not as efficient a use of space as rectangular containers.
Given the price differential between steel and HDPE, these look like a very good alternative. Thanks for providing the information on the lids and your record of 12 years experience with them. I suspect these probably seal better than many steel tanks do.
--John
John E. Simmons
Museologica
128 E. Burnside Street
Bellefonte, Pennsylvania 16823-2010
simmons.johne at gmail.com
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Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery
Penn State University
University Park, Pennsylvania
and
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School of Library and Information Science
Kent State University
and
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Juniata College
Huntingdon, Pennsylvania
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 10:57 PM, Curtis J Schmidt <cjschmidt at fhsu.edu> wrote:
John,
The lids are made of high density polyethylene (HDPE). Two separate gaskets make them air tight. The outer rim of the bucket contains a gasket and snaps onto the rim of the bucket tight. It snaps on tight, and I mean TIGHT! It takes a tremendous amount of force to get them on, and once they are snapped on, you will not get them off. The bucket is then closed with a center that screws into the outer rim, much like a typical jar enclosure. There is a gasket around the inside of the center piece that forms a tight seal when screwed down. It's kind of funny, as people that are not familiar with these lids have trouble figuring out how to take the lid off. It forms such a good seal that you can't tell that the lid is 2 pieces. We have used them for 12 years and have had zero problem with evaporation. It's a cheap alternative to the steel tanks for things such as turtles, large frogs, and large snakes. Do you know of any problems from storing specimens long-term in plastic buckets?
Curtis
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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Inquiry about polycarbonate pails and glass pickle jars for fluid-preserved specimens
Curtis,
What kind of plastic are the lids made of? Can you describe how they work? And how long have you been using them?
Thanks,
John
John E. Simmons
Museologica
128 E. Burnside Street
Bellefonte, Pennsylvania 16823-2010
simmons.johne at gmail.com
303-681-5708
www.museologica.com
and
Adjunct Curator of Collections
Earth and Mineral Science Museum & Art Gallery
Penn State University
University Park, Pennsylvania
and
Instructor, Museum Studies
School of Library and Information Science
Kent State University
and
Lecturer in Art
Juniata College
Huntingdon, Pennsylvania
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Curtis J Schmidt <cjschmidt at fhsu.edu> wrote:
Our herpetology division uses 5 gallon plastic buckets with gamma seal lids. Do a simple google search for "gamma seal lids" and you will see numerous distributors for such. They work great!
Curtis
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Sternberg Museum of Natural History
Fort Hays State University
3000 Sternberg Drive
Hays, KS 67601
(785) 628-5504 <tel:%28785%29%20628-5504> (collections)
(785) 650-2447 <tel:%28785%29%20650-2447> (cell)
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From: "Laura Abraczinskas"
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Date: 03/11/2015 05:23PM
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Inquiry about polycarbonate pails and glass pickle jars for fluid-preserved specimens
Thank you very much Andy.
I’ll try to contact the/a person about the “large size lids”. A search on the O.Berk website shows that their largest plastic closure with screw threads is 120mm size. (I believe Kols is now part of O.Berk).
And, it has been pointed out that the Anchor Hocking glass pickle barrel jar (2.5 gallon size) has a lid that does not screw down and does not seal (even though the lid has threads)!
Best,
Laura
Laura Abraczinskas, Collections Manager
Vertebrate Collections
Michigan State University Museum
409 West Circle Drive, Room 103
East Lansing, Michigan 48824
517/355-1290 <tel:517%2F355-1290> Office Phone
517/432-2846 <tel:517%2F432-2846> FAX
From: Bentley, Andrew Charles [mailto:abentley at ku.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 5:29 PM
To: Laura Abraczinskas; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: RE: [Nhcoll-l] Inquiry about polycarbonate pails and glass pickle jars for fluid-preserved specimens
Laura
Our herpetology division has been using the polycarbonate pails for temporary storage of incoming material from the field. They are great in that they are clear and as such contents are visible easily (not sure what effect light has on specimens due to this) BUT they do not seal well at all - no gasket or positive seal of any kind. They leak if tipped. Not sure if a gasket could be inserted into the lid to create such a seal – maybe a modified tank gasket from Delta or Steel Fixtures?
As for lids for oversized jars, you may want to check Kols Containers who have, in the past, indicated that these are still available. Try contacting Judy Bounds at (401) 646-2300 <tel:%28401%29%20646-2300> or jbounds at kolscontainers.com. We too have some of those larger glass crocks that we guard with our life as they are not available anywhere J
Hope that helps
Andy
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Inquiry about polycarbonate pails and glass pickle jars for fluid-preserved specimens
Hello,
We need to replace some of our white plastic/HDPE buckets (2 to 5 gallon size) that hold fluid-preserved vertebrate specimens. We also have some large glass pickle jars from the 1960s (approx 3 gallon size with neck handles). These have metal lids that need replacing. The old lids are larger than 120mm size.
I am wondering if anyone has experienced problems with or has further advice about polycarbonate plastic pails and lids that were recommended several years ago?
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I see that Anchor Hocking makes a glass pickle barrel jar (2.5 gallon size) but the lid is aluminum.
See for example
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(Also available from other sources at lower cost).
Does anyone know of sources for replacement plastic lids for large glass containers such as these?
Thank you very much,
Laura
Laura Abraczinskas, Collections Manager
Vertebrate Collections
Michigan State University Museum
409 West Circle Drive, Room 103
East Lansing, Michigan 48824
517/355-1290 <tel:517%2F355-1290> Office Phone
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