learning japanese script
J.sharp
j.sharp
Wed Aug 15 03:27:16 EDT 2007
And more than that - the kind of passages you'll get in the more advanced
Japanese For Busy People chapters, which feature quite complex grammar and
vocab all written in hiragana/katakana, just dont exist in real life.
Actually once you get a bit of kanji behind you and see how verb endings and
particle markers work, these passages are actually very difficult to read
only in hiragana.
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From: KineJapan at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu
To: KineJapan at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu <KineJapan at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Re: learning japanese script
Date: 14/08/07 09:14
>
> And I third that.
> Learning kanji first has helped me from the beginning, and still helps
now.
> As Jasper said, if I can visualize the kanji, I can learn any associations
> thereof much easier than if I were to learn the speaking portion first.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Cindy Tokumitsu" <cindytoku at optonline.net>
> To: <KineJapan at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 11:19 AM
> Subject: Re: learning japanese script
>
>
> > Jasper and Emma --
> >
> > I guess I'm about at Jasper's level (6 years) -- and I wholeheartedly
> > agree with his approach of integrating kanji learning/use as early as
> > possible -- for many reasons, not least enjoyment, clarity, holistic
> > orientation within the language...
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> > At 11:16 AM 8/14/2007, you wrote:
> >>Hi Emma,
> >>
> >>Good look on taking the plunge. Yes, the three scripts do all
occur in the
> >>same sentence on many occasions!
> >>I'll just add that as someone who started learning fairly recently
(about
> >>6
> >>years ago) and counts himself as a far better reader than a
speaker, I
> >>found
> >>Japanese For Busy People very limited in their usefulness. The
fact that
> >>they use only romaji and hiragana up a fairly high level, without
really
> >>introducing kanji at all, indicates that they werent designed by a
> >>Japanese
> >>person.
> >>
> >>There's a school of though that says you should learn how to speak
first
> >>and
> >>learn kanji later. I personally disagree - I think they are too
seperate
> >>skills which can be learn in tandem without any detriment to each
other,
> >>and
> >>in fact facillitate the learning of each other. As you'll have
noticed,
> >>Japanese vocab, esepcially at a more abstract level, doesnt bare
much
> >>relationship to any European language, and i found it a lot easier
to
> >>remember how to pronounce a word if you can visualise its kanji.
> >>
> >>So I would suggest keeping Japanese For Busy People on the
backburner or
> >>as
> >>supplmentary material, and use the brilliant Minna no Nihongo
books, which
> >>is what any Japanese teacher in Japan would use.
> >>I am not sure if these books are easy to get on line, as I bought
mine in
> >>Japan, but here's a starting place for your search:
> >>http://www.3anet.co.jp/english/books/books_01.html
> >>
> >>The books are great because they introduce the simple kanji, for
example,
> >>'hito' or 'ue', as you come across them. You can get up to a good
100
> >>serviceable characters in a very short time.
> >>
> >>Another great resource for kanji that I used which explains how it
works
> >>was
> >>a Tuttle publication called something like How to Learn Kanji. It
only
> >>introduces a few simple ones, but it explains how they work
conceptually.
> >>I
> >>remember when I first moved to Japan sitting on the Odakyu line
every day
> >>looking at the signs with this book in my hands and gradually
working out
> >>that places like Machida meant "town-field" and
Yokohama meant "next to
> >>the
> >>beach" etc, and it soon flowed from there.
> >>
> >>I've also got a great book, A Guide to Remembering Japanese
Characters,
> >>which lists about 1800 kanji and explains their derivations - its
very
> >>intimidating at first, but very useful in the long run.
> >>
> >>So there's my tips - Minna no nihongo!
> >>
> >>Jasper
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>--
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> >>
> >>===
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>--------- Original Message --------
> >>From: KineJapan at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu
> >>To: kinejapan at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu
> >><kinejapan at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu>
> >>Subject: learning japanese script
> >>Date: 14/08/07 05:03
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Hello all.
> >> >
> >> > I have just embarked upon the long path of learning to read
and write
> >> > Japanese. I am using the 'Japanese for busy people'
workbooks, and have
> >>been
> >> > sailing through learning hiragana, but much to my dismay
when i went to
> >>try
> >> > out my new skill on www.amazon.jp i find all the sentences
to be
> >>combination
> >> > of hirigana, kanji and katakana. I realise to all you who
know how to
> >> > read
> >> > japanese this is very obvious, but it there anyone out there
to whom
> >> > japanese is not their first language who can instill me with
some
> >>confidence
> >> > that it is possible to learn it all - and why are there 3
forms within
> >>one
> >> > sentence!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Emma Newbery BA (hons), MA, PGCE
> >> > Programme Leader
> >> > BTEC National Diploma in Media Productions
> >> > Blackpool and the Fylde College
> >> >
> >> >
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