Roger Kuhlman

Tue Sep 28 20:11:21 EDT 1999

Neil wrote:

>>This is the public internet. Free Speech reigns. Isn't it amazing how
those who are so passionate in their abhorence of regulation suddenly
become proponents when they are involved personally.<<

I see no correlation between free speech posting on this list and the
situation that Jacob describes - personal and repeated attacks to his
private email.  As for accusing him of dissembling, you are making that
accusation about one of most honest people you could ever hope to know.
When we participate in a forum such as this, we all run the risk that some
email stalker will single us out to vent their sick frustrations.  I don't
see how it's inappropriate to make members of the list aware of the problem.
I doubt that anyone would make this accusation if it were being done to
someone who shares their agenda.  And speaking of agendas, it is possible
for people who love butterflies just as sincerely not to agree with
your's...  I have personally challenged some inflamatory statements made on
this list, simply by asking for some science?  I'm really not sure why that
is so threatening, although I find it interesting that rarely does someone
respond.  Isn't it the science of butterflies that we are all interested in?

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil at NWJONES.DEMON.CO.UK [mailto:Neil at NWJONES.DEMON.CO.UK]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 3:14 PM
To: Leps-l at lists.yale.edu
Subject: Re: Roger Kuhlman

In message <199909281829.LAA05236 at eagle.sac.verio.net> "Jacob Groth" writes:
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>

I have to admit to being sceptical of Mr Groth's motives in posting this.
He is new to Leps-l but is very familiar to me from DPLEX-L
as a known anti-conservationist.

The message could easily have been sent to the list administrator privately.
 Roger's email address has been removed from the messages. If others
had it a quiet word of advice might be all that is needed.
 Please contact me privately Roger. I don't think you have got the hang
of how this works.

It looks suspiciously like an attempt just to discredit the opposition.

> To the list administrator,
> 
> I have asked Roger Kuhlman repeatedly to stop sending me private hate
> messages.  I told him that I would be happy to have discussions with him
in
> a cordial way without personal attacks.  But, he has continued to send
> defaming messages to me on my private e-mail.  Already 2 messages have
come
> in today.  Is there anything the administrator can do to control him or
> remove him from the list if he continues?

No. He may not be on the list at all.
I don't think you know that leps-l is gated to
sci.bio.entomology.lepidoptera

> I have sent him a message
> stating that if he continues I will post his personal attacks on me to the
> list.

Posting personal email to lists without consent is considered to be a gross
breach of netiquette. OK we have a guy who cares passionately for
butterflies
I can understand that. He then sees someone dissembling. He gets angry.
Wrong reaction, but he is human. Provoking him by posting his private
messages to the net is not going to help.

This is the public internet. Free Speech reigns. Isn't it amazing how
those who are so passionate in their abhorence of regulation suddenly
become proponents when they are involved personally.

If you post here you risk getting flamed personally. You will also
get spam. There is no cure for that either. 

Roger shouldn't be posting his messages to you, but then you should
not be posting them to the list. Two wrongs do not make a right.

> But, I don't want to "infect" the list with this type of behavior so
> I am seeking any other method.  Please advise.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Jacob
> 

-- 
Neil Jones- Neil at nwjones.demon.co.uk http://www.nwjones.demon.co.uk/
"At some point I had to stand up and be counted. Who speaks for the
butterflies?" Andrew Lees - The quotation on his memorial at Crymlyn Bog
National Nature Reserve

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil at NWJONES.DEMON.CO.UK [mailto:Neil at NWJONES.DEMON.CO.UK]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 3:14 PM
To: Leps-l at lists.yale.edu
Subject: Re: Roger Kuhlman

In message <199909281829.LAA05236 at eagle.sac.verio.net> "Jacob Groth" writes:
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>