one way street

Grkovich, Alex agrkovich at tmpeng.com
Thu Jul 5 08:55:01 EDT 2001


Comment near end:

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Joel Lyons [SMTP:jrlyons at bellsouth.net]
> Sent:	Wednesday, July 04, 2001 4:44 PM
> To:	Ron Gatrelle
> Cc:	Leps-l
> Subject:	Re: one way street
> 
>  Rock and rollLLLL, RON!
> 
> Ron Gatrelle wrote:
> 
> > A week ago I got back about midnight from 12 hours of driving (total
> round
> > trip) and 9 hours of doing Leps survey work for the Forest Service. It
> had
> > been nearly 40 hours since I had had any sleep. Tired but wired, I
> decided
> > to post a mere 9 species list on the carolina leps group. Knowing that
> most
> > of the folks there like to use common names (something that I am just
> not
> > in the habit of doing after 40 + years of working with butterflies) I
> dug
> > out a book and furnished 5 of the nine with common names (one does not
> have
> > a common name).  Well I got this nicely worded, but still terse,
> > intolerant, and condescending post the next day asking me to please use
> > common names with the scientific ones.  I wrote the person back that I
> try
> > to do this as much as possible to be considerate of those not familiar
> with
> > the correct (scientific) names. I told them I was a little perplexed by
> > their post as I HAD furnished common names for most of the species - and
> > went to extra effort to do so.
> >
> > I bit my tongue on wanting to ask if they ever wrote the people who only
> > post common names asking them to please use the scientific ones also for
> > the benefit of those who may not be familiar with the common ones. I did
> > tell the individual that one problem I do have with common names is that
> > many of the ones I know and have used for 40 years have now been changed
> to
> > whatever the new groups want to call them - especially those which were
> > named after collectors. (It is not that they were named after a person,
> but
> > after a collector that they don't like.)
> >
> > Over the last couple of days some posts have come in that list species
> by
> > neither common or correct names. I have seen this several times before
> and
> > today have just had all of it I can take. The last two from two
> differnet
> > persons were:  "lots of SSS skippers.."  and  " a LBJ skipper that.."
> Who
> > is supposed to know what these are other than some snoby little dumbded
> > down click that likes to slam those who dare to use correct names? If
> this
> > isn't a one way street I don't know what is.
> >
> > God forbid that I should email one of these individuals or GROUPS and
> ever
> > suggest they be considerate and provide a-common-names-unfamiliar old
> timer
> > like me with names I know  - or that one of the many subscribers to
> these
> > lists from a foreign country dare to ask what the heck an LBJ skipper
> is.
> > The only LBJ they probably know is a dead US president.
> >
> > This post is not about the use of common names or correct names. It is
> > about a whole buss load of people who are just plain rude. They love to
> > dish it out but can't take it. It is their way or the else. They are a
> > majority and don't give a rats behind how others think (in scientific
> > names), or what others like (collecting). They are subscribed to
> > internationally open, public, chat groups and demand that everyone else
> use
> > and understand their terms and only practice those activities that they
> > approve of.  And if anyone turns the tables and points the mirror back
> at
> > them, these cry out bloody murder and declare that anyone who questions
> > them must be enemies of the environment.
> >
> > Of course, on the other hand, I can understand why they would want to
> say
> > and write GSF rather than Great Spangled Fritillary, or GBS rather than
> > Golden Banded Skipper. I don't say those common names either - they are
> too
> > long. It is much easier for me to just say and write cybele or cellus.
> But
> > that, is obviously either too difficult for them to say or understand -
> in
> > spite of the fact that many of them are lawyers, doctors, and college
> > grads.  (But not scientists) > Ron
> >
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