Open Season

[Clay Taylor]

All,

    I for one have no problems with the fact that scientists are human and
therefore make mistakes.  However, when one acts snotty and superior in the
presence of amateurs and the general public, he is just setting himself up
for a negative reaction.  When he falls, it's hard to resist chucking a
handful of mud in his direction, just for good measure.  Unfortunately, just
like in a slapstick movie, everyone in the room usually ends up getting
splattered.

Clay Taylor
Moodus, CT


----- Original Message -----
From: "Kondla, Norbert FOR:EX" <Norbert.Kondla at gems3.gov.bc.ca>
To: "'Dan Johnson'" <johnsondl at EM.AGR.CA>; <leps-l at lists.yale.edu>;
<monarch at saber.net>
Cc: <albertabugs at majordomo.srv.ualberta.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 1:48 PM
Subject: RE: BUGS: RE: Red Admirals on track


> There is no open season on government or any other scientists. maybe just
a
> joke that I do not see the humor in. I see no humor in an 'open season' on
> other people. But there are people on this planet who find it difficult to
> accept that there are differing views on most topics. And I guess there
are
> people who are disturbed by the notion that scientists are fallible human
> beings.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Johnson [mailto:johnsondl at EM.AGR.CA]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:23 AM
> To: Kondla, Norbert FOR:EX; leps-l at lists.yale.edu; monarch at saber.net
> Cc: albertabugs at majordomo.srv.ualberta.ca
> Subject: Re: BUGS: RE: Red Admirals on track
>
>
> Announcement: Open season on government scientists.  No bag limit.
Hunters
> should confirm key identification markings (including presence of personal
> values and salaries) before harvesting.
>
>
>
>
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
>
>   Dan L. Johnson
>
>   JohnsonDL at em.agr.ca          fax (403) 382-3156
>
>   http://res2.agr.ca/lethbridge/scitech/dlj/johnsond.htm
>
> >>> "Kondla, Norbert FOR:EX" <Norbert.Kondla at gems3.gov.bc.ca> Tuesday, May
> 15, 2001 10:37:24 AM >>>
> Why indeed do people make such incorrect statements as referenced by Paul
in
> the note below ?? Only the people who make such statements know for sure.
> The rest of us can only try to construct a plausible explanation. My
disgust
> with the baseless hysteria about butterfly releases is a matter of public
> record. I would be happy to reconsider my view if presented with some
> evidence/science. My best guess to explain interesting and incorrect
> statements is that even people paid to do science (paid with tax dollars
> from folks who earn a living from natural resources) are fallible human
> beings who also have personal values and agendas . They are of course
> perfectly welcome to pursue their agendas and values and to make incorrect
> statements. PS. the red admiral naturally finds its way to even northern
> Canada. I have no books in front of me but I do recall finding one at
about
> 59 degrees north latitude in extreme northern British Columbia
> double PS. I have not seen any red admirals yet this season in southern
> British Columbia but this is definitely an invasion year here for the
> Vanessa cardui.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Cherubini [mailto:monarch at saber.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 9:03 AM
> To: leps-l at lists.yale.edu
> Subject: Re: Red Admirals on track
>
>
> Martha Rosett Lutz wrote:
>
> > Do Red Admirals like Gatorade?  Would they get any important nutrients
> from
> > it?
>
> Yes, commercial butterfly farmers commonly use Gatorade to feed the
> butterflies
> prior to shipping them off to brides. Speaking of butterfly releases,
> the recent reports of large northward movements of Red Admirals in the
> southern, central and northern USA plus into southern Canada reminds
> me of a curious statement on the NABA website about releases
> authored by Paul Opler, Bob Pyle, Jeff Glassberg, and Jim Tuttle
> These authors wrote:
>
> "Shipping Red Admirals, is particularly inappropriate
> because they are not naturally found over much of the United States."
>
> These scientists are at the top of their field so why do they make
> statements
> like this?
>
> Paul Cherubini
>
>
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