Polites origenes or P. themistocles?

[Kondla, Norbert FOR:EX]

I have no personal experience with origenes so do not know the difference
and hence cannot vote:-) But I would like to understand the differences so
it would be helpful if those who think both are themistocles could explain
their reasons (what are the visible characters?)as Chris did for going with
two species.

-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Grishin [mailto:grishin at chop.swmed.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:41 PM
To: leps-l at lists.yale.edu
Subject: Re: Polites origenes or P. themistocles?


Hello All:
I am voting for *P.themistocles* on both pictures. Confidence: high.
nick


On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Andrew Warren wrote:

> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am leaning towards P. themistocles females for both individuals.  Don't
> know for sure but does P. origenes fly as late as October in that part of
> the US?  
> 
> Andy Warren
> 
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2001, Chris J. Durden wrote:
> 
> > I think you have one female of each.
> >    The first P. themistocles, with FW subapical spots forming a
horns-out
> > crescent; cubital spot forms a small chevron; yellow dot in cell.
> >    The second P. origenes, with FW subapical spots in a straight line;
> > cubital spot large, pale and squared.
> > .......................Chris Durden
> > 
> > At 11:33 AM 10/30/2001 -0500, you wrote:
> > 
> >       Anyone care to give an opinion on these two individuals?
> > 
> >       http://www.duke.edu/~cwcook/pix/xlineskipper.html
> > 
> >       I've gotten two expert opinions so far - one calls them both
> >       Crossline
> >       Skippers (P. origenes) and the other calls them both
> >       Tawny-edged
> >       Skippers (P. themistocles)...
> > 
> >       Thanks,
> > 
> >       --
> >       Charles W. "Will" Cook              
> > 
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