Polites origenes or P. themistocles?

[Michael Gochfeld]

I vote for P.themistocles (Tawny-edged) for number 2.
The unmarked hindwing and the strong tawny bar on the FW seem indicative.
In life there is a "jizz" to the Tawny-edged that's hard to explain (jizzes are
by nature hard to describe).

I'll abstain on the first photo.  The slightly dotted pattern on the ventral
hindwing can occur in
Tawny-edged although I can't recall feeling confident identifhying of that
variation here in NJ.
It is more typical of P. origines.  Likewise the not-so-strong tawny bar on the
forewing in a creature that's
not especially worn, doesn't strike me as P.themistocles.

So if I had voted on both I would have reached the opposite conclusion from
Chris.
Of course there may be different variation patterns between NJ, NC and TX.

If I understood Chris correctly, the three subapical spots on the dorsal FWof
the first individual shows that the outermost spot is
longer than the other two.  Is this a significant mark for P.themistocles?  It
shows up in some books but not others and doesn't seems consistent.

Of course, there's always a chance that book photos are mis-identified.





 
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