Stan Gorodenski stanlep at
Wed Jan 9 22:12:16 EST 2002

Ron Gatrelle wrote:
> "Jesus" but it is sure fine to talk about God as creator as to many many
> here God is the maker of Lepidoptera not "evolution"  Creationism is well
> even if a segment of the list may think God is not and creation is bogus.

I believe the above statement is what Valerie Passoa meant when she said
in her first post (sent by mistake) "Also, I truly believe that
Gattrelle's and Cherubini feel this is their list and use it

With all proper and sincere respects to Ron, Ron's statement, on the
surface, has the appearance (which undoubtedly is not true) of a
rationalization for using Leps-L as a forum to promote another agenda. 
Granted, there have been many off topic discussions on this list, but
creationism is a religious _belief_ and all attempts to promote it as a
legitimate and scientific explanation for lepidoptera related issues
(such as speciation) is, in my opinion, actually an attempt to

I hope creationist debates will take place in other forums or lists.
Ultimately, though, people can say what they want (within civility), and
so the flavor, or character, of Leps-L will be established by the
majority of those who participate. 

With this I will sign off and say no more.  It is not my intention to
start a creationist debate (and I hope one does not start), but I felt I
needed to express my views, in the sense of a 'vote', on the nature of



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