Cynthia

[Niklas Wahlberg]

Hi all,
   To add to what Andy says below, my current
molecular work suggests that Field's Vanessa and
Bassaris are forming monophyletic groups, while
Cynthia is not (Vanessa is within Cynthia). My
preference is to use Vanessa for the whole group,
since they form a very strong monophyletic group
(there is one funny discrepancy within this group, but
y'all have to wait for the publication to find out
what it is!!) ;-)

Cheers,
Niklas Wahlberg

PS once again I've changed my discussion list e-mail
address. I'm curious as to how quickly those damn
spammers will find this address.

 --- Andrew Brower <browera at science.oregonstate.edu>
wrote: > Hi Bill et al.,
> 
> Cynthia resurrected by W. D. Field (1971,
> Smithsonian Contrib. Zool. 84)
> for
> cardui, kershawi, virginiensis, altissima,
> braziliensis, terpsichore,
> myrinna, annabella, carye
> 
> Vanessa ss. is for atalanta, tameamea, samani,
> indica, dejeanii
> 
> Bassaris ss. for itea and gonerilla
> 
> Lately, the monophyly of Vanessa + Cynthia +
> Bassaris  has been
> supported by molecular and morphological cladistic
> analysis by Nylin et
> al (2001, Biol. J. Linn Soc. 132:441-468), although
> they do not have an
> opinion on whether the clade should be one genus or
> three.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Andy Brower
> 
> Bill Yule wrote:
> 
> > Hi all.    I notice some workers use the generic
> concept of Cynthia
> > for the so-called "Painted Ladies" rather than the
> more inclusive
> > Vanessa.  Can someone give be a brief idea of the
> generic concept
> > Cynthia and how it differs from
> > Vanessa?
> > Thanks,
> > Bill Yule
> 
> 
>  
> 
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