Cynthia

[Bill Yule]

Thanks Andy and Niklas for the responses to the question of Cynthia.
      Lately I've seen a couple of references to Cynthia cardui and I
thought hmmmm...I wonder what's happening with Vanessa? ...Well it should be
a simple matter of looking it up...hmmmm...but I guess I should have known
that there are no simple matters when it comes to generic concepts and who
chooses to embrace which. ;>}
      I find it interesting that not only is the Cosmopolite well travelled
in terms of a worldwide distribution and well travelled in the sense of
being capable of long migrations but also well travelled in terms of generic
affiliations.
      My meager library tells me this about the Painted Lady's generic
travels:  Pyrameis>Cynthia>Vanessa>Cynthia (or Vanessa).  There must have
been others. Did I miss any?
Who is the original author of Cynthia?  Can anyone suggest a good reference
where I might look to find these kinds of things out?
                                        Thanks,
                                                    Bill
     ----- Original Message -----
From: "Niklas Wahlberg" <niklasleps at yahoo.co.uk>
To: <LEPS-L at lists.yale.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: Cynthia


> Hi all,
>    To add to what Andy says below, my current
> molecular work suggests that Field's Vanessa and
> Bassaris are forming monophyletic groups, while
> Cynthia is not (Vanessa is within Cynthia). My
> preference is to use Vanessa for the whole group,
> since they form a very strong monophyletic group
> (there is one funny discrepancy within this group, but
> y'all have to wait for the publication to find out
> what it is!!) ;-)
>
> Cheers,
> Niklas Wahlberg
>
> PS once again I've changed my discussion list e-mail
> address. I'm curious as to how quickly those damn
> spammers will find this address.
>
>  --- Andrew Brower <browera at science.oregonstate.edu>
> wrote: > Hi Bill et al.,
> >
> > Cynthia resurrected by W. D. Field (1971,
> > Smithsonian Contrib. Zool. 84)
> > for
> > cardui, kershawi, virginiensis, altissima,
> > braziliensis, terpsichore,
> > myrinna, annabella, carye
> >
> > Vanessa ss. is for atalanta, tameamea, samani,
> > indica, dejeanii
> >
> > Bassaris ss. for itea and gonerilla
> >
> > Lately, the monophyly of Vanessa + Cynthia +
> > Bassaris  has been
> > supported by molecular and morphological cladistic
> > analysis by Nylin et
> > al (2001, Biol. J. Linn Soc. 132:441-468), although
> > they do not have an
> > opinion on whether the clade should be one genus or
> > three.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Andy Brower
> >
> > Bill Yule wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all.    I notice some workers use the generic
> > concept of Cynthia
> > > for the so-called "Painted Ladies" rather than the
> > more inclusive
> > > Vanessa.  Can someone give be a brief idea of the
> > generic concept
> > > Cynthia and how it differs from
> > > Vanessa?
> > > Thanks,
> > > Bill Yule
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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