Glassberg's books
Stanley A. Gorodenski
stanlep at extremezone.com
Sun Oct 20 15:34:35 EDT 2002
Ron,
I have nothing against leps-talk and moth-roh, but why do these two
surpass leps-l in quantity and quality? It would seem the reverse should
be true because leps-l has been in existence longer than the other two
sites. There is a possibility that more of the science types belong to
these two. However, a lot of the posts I have seen in leps-l are pretty
good quality. Is it because the other two are moderated, whereas leps-l
is not? Or is it that it's just a matter of time until they suffer the
same fate as leps-l (assuming what you say is true about leps-l)? The
silly off topic stuff you mentioned may be the seed of these two list's
demise, as some of the same types of things was leps-l's demise (in a
relative sense, assuming what you say about leps-l is true).
Stan
Ron Gatrelle wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mbpi at juno.com>
> To: <gatrelle at tils-ttr.org>
> Cc: <LEPS-L at LISTS.YALE.EDU>
> Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 11:29 AM
> Subject: Re: Glassberg's books
>
> snips
> > The biggest problem I have over all this "belly-aching" over the
> > air-waves is that NONE of you feel the slightest bit inclined to DO
> > something about RECTIFYING what you consider a "travesty" to the
> > understanding of Lepidoptery to the uneducated masses (such as Glassberg
> > has undertaken), but would much rather receive "strokes" from in-kind
> > individuals who DON'T require being "courted" to your way of thinking...
> >
>
> I was not going to respond to this post till I got to this point. But
> before I address the above... I like opionated people. I think everyone
> should feel stongly about something and that that something should set an
> agenda in motion. I respect the energy and focus Glassberg has in
> furthering his agenda. I just disagree with it some major parts of it. I
> like Mary Beth because she is honest and speaks her mind.
>
> Now to the above. I take exception to this as _ I. _ and TILS have done
> and are doing a lot to "rectify" the dumbed down and anti-science of
> NABA/Galssberg (people who continualy want to seperate these two have their
> head in the sand). I will mention just two items. I personally spent
> hundreds of hours (and 45 years of acumulated knoweledge) in compiling the
> SC-NABN list of common names at our TILS web site
> http://tils-ttr.org/lepnames.html This list provides many times the
> information of the NABA names list. MANY times. It was assembled from
> names already on "the books" and the input of regional people who
> contributed (and continue to contribute) via the site's "comments" link.
> Any beginner (first leps exposure) who peruses the NABA list and takes its
> title etc at face value will think that it is "complete" The real deal.
> But once they go to the SC-NABN list they find the real deal, and the NABA
> list is manifest to be a mere shadow of the taxa found in the US/Canada
> _and_ the common names that are already in existence for them. Then there
> is our TC-ISBN list (which is frustratingly slow in going on line due to
> our web master) this is compiled by Harry Pavulaan - but the taxonomic
> alignments are research literature based and not his own "views".
>
> Second, we started the TILS-leps-talk and TILS-moth-rah list serves. While
> leps-talk only has 182 subscribers and moth-rah 92, those two lists dwarf
> leps-l and many other lists in number of posts and quality of content.
> Sure, we get into off topic and silly stuff at times but there is good
> reason why the "traffic" is now over on leps-talk and not leps-l.
> Leps-talk is a place to learn some more in-depth aspects of lepidoptery.
>
> (Leps-talk was the idea of Harry Pavylaan.)
> Subscribe: TILS-leps-talk-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
> Subscribe: TILS-moth-rah-subscribe at yahoogroups.com
>
> Now, there is always the possibility that I misunderstood what Mary Beth
> meant.
>
> Ron Gatrelle
>
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