was:Monarchs now humanity

Patrick Foley patfoley at csus.edu
Mon Apr 11 15:26:01 EDT 2005

My last word (for a long while I hope) on the subject of religion is 
actually that of an American icon, Thomas Paine.

<>I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the 
Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the 
Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my 
own church.
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or 
Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify 
and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. I do not mean by 
this declaration to condemn those who believe otherwise. They have the 
same right to their belief as I have to mine. But it is necessary to the 
happiness of man, that he be mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity 
does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving: it consists in 
professing to believe what he does not believe.         Thomas Paine, 
The Age of Reason

yours in reason,

Jonathan Sylvestre wrote:

> Ron
> There is something that i dont like about religious people... They say 
> lots of things but they never explain what they say...
> Because we are in a scientific list here, and because the subject 
> interest me, i would like to ask you a question
> You said :
> "1) Only the human body is a part of nature. We are responsible for 
> our the
> natural world because we are the only spiritual creature here."
> I though that we are nearly identical to all other organism (should i 
> have to explain you what i mean by nearly identical..) on this planet 
> so if we have a body that is a part of the nature and something else 
> that is a part of you must know what... why butterflies and moth, 
> bacteria, plants, squirels,... have not this somthing else thing ??? 
> Is there a heaven for butterflies (other than a flowerfull little 
> clearing) ??
> I like to get responses... its in my nature... but cant cahnge my mind 
> because i have the immunity to religion too.
> what is religion ? an increadible number of interactions between 
> neurones in the brain of "superiors" animals
> if you dont want to answer my questions... please do it for other 
> people in the list
> Last thing
> please, stop calling living organism "creature"
> Jonathan Sylvestre

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