Moth Collecting May Soon Be Frowned Upon

[Hageman, Daniel]

Never seen so many PO'ed lepers - lifes too short

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	From: owner-leps-l at lists.yale.edu on behalf of Mexicodoug 
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	"It's time to put your own cards on the table and show us what you're
	all about. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's been curious about this."
	
	Hello Royce, Paul,
	
	Why would anyone be curious as to what Paul is all about - He seems not
	to believe in the sanctity of preserving insect life, just exposing his
	personal brand of hypocrisy. I would much rather he use his hobby to
	debunk by developing some peer reviewed population dynamics associated
	with the relative impact rankings he mentions. In the absence of that,
	the entire charged subject is pretty much devoid of substance.
	
	I would like to know only this: What clearly more effective method is
	there to educate the populace on respect for habitat and its
	conservation? If non-scientists perceive entomologists could care less
	about insect life at the most deliberate moments, how does this shake
	out regarding the politics of habitat conservation in general?
	Differences aside - we are all on the same team, right?
	
	Trading in a few SUVs sounds like a good idea anyway!
	
	Best wishes
	Doug
	
	
	-----Original Message-----
	From: Royce J Bitzer <mariposa at iastate.edu>
	To: cking at YorkU.CA; monarch at saber.net
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	Sent: Fri, Sep 11, 2009 3:42 pm
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	Paul,
	
	I've had the privilege of reading your missives for years now, and your
	theme is
	 so often the same.  You frequently criticize biologists and
	ecologists for purportedly driving outsized cars, living in oversized
	houses, and trampling the world with their huge carbon footprints, and
	therefore being pretentious and hypocritical.
	
	But one thing I've _never_ heard from you in all this time is whether
	you yourself actually practice what you preach.  What kind of car(s) do
	_you_ drive?  How big is _your_ house?  What do you have in your stock
	portfolio?  What is the environmental impact of your own lifestyle?
	
	It's time to put your own cards on the table and show us what you're
	all about.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who's been curious about this.
	
	Cheers,
	
	Royce Bitzer
	
	
	
	At 02:01 PM 9/11/2009, Carolyn King wrote:
	
	
	Paul,
	There you go again, making personal attacks based on no information
	whatsoever.
	
	I would expect that anyone with any conscience or understanding of
	ecosystems would choose to kill any organisms without a good reason. 
	We may differ on our assessment of the value of a particular study, but
	I hope that no one on this list disagree that "live traps are
	preferable".
	
	For your information, Paul, none of our officers drives a big SUV ( or,
	I believe, a van) and car-pooling is encouraged.
	
	Have a nice day,
	Carolyn
	
	p.s.  For those of you not familiar with Paul, this sort of nastiness
	and lack of accuracy is
	not unusual.
	
	
	Paul Cherubini <monarch at saber.net>
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	09/11/09 02:34 PM
	
	Please respond to
	monarch at saber.net
	
	
	
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	The Toronto Entomologist's Association's "Collecting
	Code" says:
	
	Ethics of collecting:
	
	9. Light traps: live traps are preferable and should be
	visited regularly and the catch should not be killed
	wholesale for subsequent examination.
	
	So the Association is essentially saying it is unethical
	to catch a bunch of moths at a light trap and kill
	them for subsequent examination.
	
	But the Association has no problem with members
	or officers who drive big SUV's or Vans to butterfly
	or moth watching sites and kill twice as many leps
	and other insects as those who drive compact cars. 
	
	Paul Cherubini
	El Dorado, Calif.
	
	
	
	
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