[Nhcoll-l] [EXTERN] Re: CITES question

Tue Jul 16 16:32:20 EDT 2024

... maybe a useful resource: you can easily check he listing dates of CITES species on Species+, e.g. for Panthera leo:

https://speciesplus.net/species#/taxon_concepts/6353/legal

Relevant is the first listing; to view this date on Species+, you need to hit "show history" to unfold the listing history of the respective species. The lion was listed first in 01/07/1975. As John says, the donor has to proof that the specimen was obtained earlier. As the transaction (and change of ownership) obviously happens after the first listing, the change of ownership (i.e. the trade) falls under CITES and thus the documenting obligations and requirements of the respective national (or federal) law.

With best wishes
Dirk

Am 16.07.2024 um 22:16 schrieb John E Simmons:
Rod,
Ben's advice is good, but I suggest in addition before you contact Fish and Wildlife you get copies of the permits and check the dates of collection and importation. If possible get the potential donor to write a letter confirming the dates of importation. If the specimens came into the US before the US was a signatory to CITES, this will make everything easier, and if you have all the documentation you can get in advance, it will make your talk with F&W much more productive.

New Jersey (and Pennsylvania) are in the Northeast Region, which means your regional office is in Hadley, Massachusetts:
https://www.fws.gov/office/northeast-region-headquarters4

Both African Lions and Nile Crocodiles are listed on two appendices each, so you will also need to know the country of origin of the specimens. Under CITES, "If a specimen was obtained prior. to the CITES listing date of that species—collected from the wild or held in captivity—it may be granted a pre-Convention certificate that will allow for the specimen to be exported."

--John

John E. Simmons
Writer and Museum Consultant
Museologica
and
Investigador Asociado, Departamento de Ornitologia
Museo de Historia Natural, Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, Lima

On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 11:42 AM Pellegrini, Rodrigo [DOS] <Rodrigo.Pellegrini at sos.nj.gov<mailto:Rodrigo.Pellegrini at sos.nj.gov>> wrote:
A potential donor has offered several mounts to the New Jersey State Museum, and two of them that we are considering are listed in CITES: an African lion and a Nile crocodile.
The donors have permits for them, but are located in Pennsylvania and don't know if the restrictions on selling the mounts out of their home state would apply to donating them to a museum out of state.

Our collection is largely paleontological, and I have not dealt with CITES very much at all.

In order to accept the mounts, what would we have to do? Does the museum need to get some sort of CITES certification? I assume we would need some kind of permit?
And, would the donors even be allowed to donate them to us given their current permit restrictions?

Thanks for any guidance.

Rod Pellegrini
Natural History Registrar
New Jersey State Museum
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