[Nhcoll-l] [ECN-L] USFWS 3-177 - deregulation?

Tue May 27 10:15:00 EDT 2025

I agree with Cody. None of us like to do eDecs but we recognize that the
process is intended to prevent wildlife trafficking. It is important as a
scientific community that we continue to support such regulations.

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On Tue, May 27, 2025, 5:01 AM Cody Thompson <cwthomp at umich.edu> wrote:

> Hi, all!  I think we need to be careful here.  Although I would love to
> make the 3-177 process more efficient, I think that is different from
> promoting deregulation of wildlife imports.  The 3-177 gives US Fish and
> Wildlife Service "teeth" when going after bad actors, and the unintended
> consequences of deregulation could be catastrophic to imperiled taxa,
> especially if there is perceived support from the scientific community.
>
> Take care,
> Cody
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> On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 6:35 PM Frank T. Krell <Frank.Krell at dmns.org>
> wrote:
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>> Non-CITES dead invertebrates (or specimens if you want to have it
>> broader) for non-commercial research
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>> Not sure if it matters whether we get the legal stuff right. The
>> deregulators will have to try to get it right. With this government, I am
>> not sure that anybody can predict what is “right”. We just should make sure
>> that we avoid bad unintended consequences, but I think with the above
>> wording, most of those would be avoided.
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>> Frank
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>> Dr. Frank-Thorsten Krell
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>> Faculty Affiliate/Museum Associate
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>> C.P. Gillette Museum of Arthropod Diversity
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>> Colorado State University
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>> Department of Agricultural Biology
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>> *From:* Mike Ferro <spongymesophyll at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2025 2:00 PM
>> *To:* ECN-L at ecnweb.org
>> *Cc:* nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
>> *Subject:* Re: [ECN-L] USFWS 3-177 - deregulation?
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>> Mike Ivie talked about National Park Specimens and I outlined a game plan
>> last year. I suspect no one followed up on it. I would but I’m engaged in
>> several other projects no one is interested in and didn’t have time. (I did
>> email some people but never heard back).
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>> If we actually knew what we were talking about, it would help. Again, I
>> would suggest that we all agree, we are scientists, not lawyers. We need to
>> consult a professional and not pretend we know what we are talking about.
>>
>> Concerning USFWS 3-177, we need to proceed cautiously. Our view is dead
>> invertebrates. What about tigers?
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>> If we suggested anything, it would probably be best to state NON-CITES
>> INVERTEBRATES often.
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>> See how I'm pretending that I know something?
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>> We need to consult a professional!
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>> Cheers,
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>> Mike
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>> On Fri, May 23, 2025 at 3:54 PM Dewalt, R Edward <dewalt at illinois.edu>
>> wrote:
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>> Could some of you put together some talking points? We can then submit
>> something informative as a group and maybe be more effective.
>>
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>> R. Edward DeWalt
>>
>> University of Illinois
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>> Illinois Natural History Survey
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>> 1816 S Oak St.
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>> dewalt at illinois.edu
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>> *From:* Frank T. Krell <Frank.Krell at dmns.org>
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2025 2:50 PM
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>> *Subject:* RE: [ECN-L] USFWS 3-177 - deregulation?
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>> Yes, if we can get anything useful out of this government, then some
>> deregulatory measures would be the most likely. It would be great if many
>> of us could submit a 3-177 deregulation idea – if you agree that it should
>> be deregulated or improved for scientific, non-commercial specimens.
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>> Cheers
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>>
>> Frank
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>> Dr. Frank-Thorsten Krell
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>> Faculty Affiliate/Museum Associate
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>> C.P. Gillette Museum of Arthropod Diversity
>>
>> Colorado State University
>>
>> Department of Agricultural Biology
>>
>> 1177H Campus Delivery
>> Fort Collins, Colorado 80523, USA
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>> Frank.krell at dmns.org; frank.krell at colostate.edu
>>
>> Phone 720.308.0241
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>> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank-Thorsten-Krell
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>> *From:* 'Derek Sikes' via ECN-L <ECN-L at ecnweb.org>
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2025 1:37 PM
>> *To:* ECN-L at ecnweb.org; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
>> *Subject:* [ECN-L] USFWS 3-177 - deregulation?
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>> All,
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>> Just noticed this: https://www.regulations.gov/
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>> "Submit Your Deregulatory Recommendations
>> Impacted by an existing rule or regulation? Share your ideas for
>> deregulation by completing this form."
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>> Perhaps now is the time to remove or at least improve the USFWS 3-177
>> process.
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>> -Derek
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