[Nhcoll-l] Nhcoll-l Digest, Vol 107, Issue 3
Coyne, Michelle (NRCan/RNCan)
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: verbatimLabel DarwinCore Field Addition (Douglas Yanega)
2. Re: verbatimLabel DarwinCore Field Addition (Derek Sikes)
3. Re: verbatimLabel DarwinCore Field Addition (Gali Beiner)
4. specimen vault vs vaults (Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace))
5. Re: specimen vault vs vaults (Bentley, Andrew Charles)
6. Re: specimen vault vs vaults (Dirk Neumann)
7. Re: [EXT]Re: specimen vault vs vaults (Jean-Marc Gagnon)
8. Nhcoll: specimen vault vs vaults (Carolyn Leckie)
9. Re: Nhcoll: specimen vault vs vaults (Hawks, Catharine)
10. Cold storage of study skins and mounts? (Maguire, Keith (SAM))
11. Booking open - Natural Sciences Collections Association
(NatSCA) virtual conference 27-28 May 2021 (Chair NatSCA)
12. Digital Asset Management consultants (Melissa Bechhoefer)
13. FW: News and updates on the 2021 AIC/SPNHC Virtual Annual
Meeting (Julian Carter)
14. Galapagos tortoises & radionuclides (Conrad, Cyler Norman)
15. Re: Galapagos tortoises & radionuclides (Jonathan Dunnum)
16. Re: Galapagos tortoises & radionuclides (LAURA A MONAHAN)
17. Re: Galapagos tortoises & radionuclides (James and Judy Bryant)
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 10:39:02 -0700
From: Douglas Yanega <dyanega at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] verbatimLabel DarwinCore Field Addition
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I'm ambivalent regarding verbatim label data, because it can be
extremely helpful in some cases, and extremely damaging in others.
Some of you may recall my having given talks, or unhappy comments at
meetings, regarding the empirical data on error rates on original labels
of insect specimens. It's pretty disheartening; across tens of thousands
of specimens in roughly 10 major entomological museums assayed,
somewhere between 15-20% of all original labels had data omissions or
errors requiring correction prior to georeferencing. While a fair
percentage of these are omissions that are easily fixed, or obvious
typos, roughly half either cannot be fixed (e.g., a place name that
occurs in more than one county, like "Sulphur Springs, Arkansas"), or
are errors that MUST be fixed but are not immediately obvious.
Such statements have been known to provoke people to roll their eyes at
me, thinking that I overstate the problem, but it's a genuine issue, and
includes lines of evidence that aren't immediately obvious, such as
comparing labels produced by different people who were collecting
together. Just as a "tip-of-the-iceberg" example, consider these data
labels, produced by six professional researchers from several
high-profile entomology museums on an NSF-funded field trip to Mexico:
Chihuahua, 72 km NE Chihuahua, El Carrion, 27-VIII-91
Chihuahua, El Corrion, 72 km NE Chihuahua, 27-VIII-91
Chihuahua, El Morrion, 67 km NW Chihuahua, 27-VIII-91, 1200 m
Chihuahua, 67 km N El Morrion, 27-VIII-91
Chihuahua, 67 km N El Morrion, 27-III-91
Chihuahua, 74 km NE Chihuahua, 27-VIII-91
These labels all refer to the exact same collecting event, yet you'll
note that no two are the same. You'll also note that *in the absence of
the comparison*, none of them has an obvious error.
Worse still, *they are all wrong*. The actual data for this particular
collecting event are
Chihuahua, El Morrion, 67 km NE Chihuahua, 27-VIII-91, 1200 m
As such, the six labels produced had (1) and (2) the wrong mileage *and*
the wrong place name (3) the wrong cardinal direction (4) the wrong
reference point (5) the wrong reference point and the wrong month, and
(6) the wrong mileage. Note also that the georeferences generated for
these six labels result in two points that are 67 km from the actual
location, and one over 100 km off.
When you look specifically for examples like this, with multiple
collectors' data used side-by-side to evaluate label accuracy, it's
frightening how poorly people do. It also means that treating verbatim
label data as *inherently trustworthy* is a serious mistake. As data
suppliers and consumers, we need to be far more critical. Label data
underlies so much of people's research, and if we supply or use bad
data, that undermines the quality of the resulting research.
The question is whether we are better off displaying the verbatim data,
or not, and to me that depends on whether serious quality control has or
has not *already been exercised*.
My points are these:
(1) If the process of data capture is limited to entering verbatim label
data and then simply parsing it out into other fields, it is much less
likely that the data capture person is going to notice those labels that
are in that roughly 10% where the data are wrong but it isn't obvious.
If the process of data capture only uses verbatim data as the starting
point, however, then the person trying to make sense of a label by
georeferencing it themselves is relatively more likely to view it
critically, and catch any errors.
(2) If we assume for the moment that you have done the right thing, and
fixed an error, how are users of your data going to know which version
of the data they should trust? If a specimen has verbatim data listing a
country or state or county or mileage or direction that is *not the same
as the parsed data*, is that not going to confuse them, if they notice
the discrepancy?
(3) My overall feeling is that including verbatim data is only genuinely
beneficial to users if quality control has NOT been applied, AND if
external users have a reliable way to communicate with the data
providers to *report an error and get it fixed*. In other words, having
*bad* verbatim data made visible makes it more likely that external
users will find errors. If quality control HAS been applied, and the
data are clean, then the discrepancy between verbatim and parsed data
only stands to confuse external users. Given that the specimens will
have a GUID label, any discrepancy between what the data labels say and
what the parsed data say won't be a problem, because the data labels are
not what you'll refer to when tracking a specimen down.
It's a complex issue.
--
Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum
Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega
phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's)
https://faculty.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html
"There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness
is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 10:18:24 -0800
From: Derek Sikes <dssikes at alaska.edu>
To: Douglas Yanega <dyanega at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] verbatimLabel DarwinCore Field Addition
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Doug,
Excellent points. Regarding #2 this is why our loan form states:
NOTE: Data on the labels may not be correct/complete; The most accurate
data are available via
Arctos http://arctos.database.museum (or spreadsheet by request).
Although I wonder how many people actually read loan forms. I always offer
to check over the draft ms of anyone publishing using our specimens. I can
often find errors that the borrower made while transcribing our labels
(which many still do, despite the specimens already being databased and the
data easily available).
Regarding verbatim label data - I'm more in favor of it being preserved
than you are (but I do a poor job of actually preserving it, other than
relatively rare photos of labels). I think the risk of people being
confused by the verbatim being different than the parsed is not as great as
you fear and will diminish further in time as people become increasingly
used to digitized specimen data.
I'm an outlier I'm sure in thinking of the labels on specimens as little
more than 'worst-case scenario insurance against the loss of our digital
data'. For most of our specimens the data for a specimen in our database is
far more complete than what's on the labels (including photos of habitat,
trap methods, links to publications that used the specimen, links to DNA
sequences, remarks about the condition of the specimen, identification
remarks, links to the keys used to ID the specimens, etc.).
And even worse... how many type localities are wrong?
-Derek
On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:39 AM Douglas Yanega <dyanega at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm ambivalent regarding verbatim label data, because it can be extremely
> helpful in some cases, and extremely damaging in others.
>
> Some of you may recall my having given talks, or unhappy comments at
> meetings, regarding the empirical data on error rates on original labels of
> insect specimens. It's pretty disheartening; across tens of thousands of
> specimens in roughly 10 major entomological museums assayed, somewhere
> between 15-20% of all original labels had data omissions or errors
> requiring correction prior to georeferencing. While a fair percentage of
> these are omissions that are easily fixed, or obvious typos, roughly half
> either cannot be fixed (e.g., a place name that occurs in more than one
> county, like "Sulphur Springs, Arkansas"), or are errors that MUST be fixed
> but are not immediately obvious.
>
> Such statements have been known to provoke people to roll their eyes at
> me, thinking that I overstate the problem, but it's a genuine issue, and
> includes lines of evidence that aren't immediately obvious, such as
> comparing labels produced by different people who were collecting together.
> Just as a "tip-of-the-iceberg" example, consider these data labels,
> produced by six professional researchers from several high-profile
> entomology museums on an NSF-funded field trip to Mexico:
>
> Chihuahua, 72 km NE Chihuahua, El Carrion, 27-VIII-91
> Chihuahua, El Corrion, 72 km NE Chihuahua, 27-VIII-91
> Chihuahua, El Morrion, 67 km NW Chihuahua, 27-VIII-91, 1200 m
> Chihuahua, 67 km N El Morrion, 27-VIII-91
> Chihuahua, 67 km N El Morrion, 27-III-91
> Chihuahua, 74 km NE Chihuahua, 27-VIII-91
>
> These labels all refer to the exact same collecting event, yet you'll note
> that no two are the same. You'll also note that *in the absence of the
> comparison*, none of them has an obvious error.
>
> Worse still, *they are all wrong*. The actual data for this particular
> collecting event are
>
> Chihuahua, El Morrion, 67 km NE Chihuahua, 27-VIII-91, 1200 m
>
> As such, the six labels produced had (1) and (2) the wrong mileage *and*
> the wrong place name (3) the wrong cardinal direction (4) the wrong
> reference point (5) the wrong reference point and the wrong month, and (6)
> the wrong mileage. Note also that the georeferences generated for these six
> labels result in two points that are 67 km from the actual location, and
> one over 100 km off.
>
> When you look specifically for examples like this, with multiple
> collectors' data used side-by-side to evaluate label accuracy, it's
> frightening how poorly people do. It also means that treating verbatim
> label data as *inherently trustworthy* is a serious mistake. As data
> suppliers and consumers, we need to be far more critical. Label data
> underlies so much of people's research, and if we supply or use bad data,
> that undermines the quality of the resulting research.
>
> The question is whether we are better off displaying the verbatim data, or
> not, and to me that depends on whether serious quality control has or has
> not *already been exercised*.
>
> My points are these:
>
> (1) If the process of data capture is limited to entering verbatim label
> data and then simply parsing it out into other fields, it is much less
> likely that the data capture person is going to notice those labels that
> are in that roughly 10% where the data are wrong but it isn't obvious. If
> the process of data capture only uses verbatim data as the starting point,
> however, then the person trying to make sense of a label by georeferencing
> it themselves is relatively more likely to view it critically, and catch
> any errors.
>
> (2) If we assume for the moment that you have done the right thing, and
> fixed an error, how are users of your data going to know which version of
> the data they should trust? If a specimen has verbatim data listing a
> country or state or county or mileage or direction that is *not the same
> as the parsed data*, is that not going to confuse them, if they notice
> the discrepancy?
>
> (3) My overall feeling is that including verbatim data is only genuinely
> beneficial to users if quality control has NOT been applied, AND if
> external users have a reliable way to communicate with the data providers
> to *report an error and get it fixed*. In other words, having *bad*
> verbatim data made visible makes it more likely that external users will
> find errors. If quality control HAS been applied, and the data are clean,
> then the discrepancy between verbatim and parsed data only stands to
> confuse external users. Given that the specimens will have a GUID label,
> any discrepancy between what the data labels say and what the parsed data
> say won't be a problem, because the data labels are not what you'll refer
> to when tracking a specimen down.
>
> It's a complex issue.
>
> --
> Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum
> Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega
> phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's)
> https://faculty.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html
> "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness
> is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82
>
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> Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate.
>
--
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*Derek S. Sikes*, Curator of Insects, Professor of Entomology
University of Alaska Museum (UAM)
University of Alaska Fairbanks
1962 Yukon Drive, Fairbanks, AK 99775-6960
dssikes at alaska.edu phone: 907-474-6278
he/him/his
University of Alaska Museum <https://www.uaf.edu/museum/collections/ento/>
- search 357,704 digitized arthropod records
<http://arctos.database.museum/uam_ento>
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 21:53:27 +0300
From: Gali Beiner <gali.beiner at mail.huji.ac.il>
To: Derek Sikes <dssikes at alaska.edu>
Cc: Douglas Yanega <dyanega at gmail.com>, nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu,
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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] verbatimLabel DarwinCore Field Addition
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This is a very interesting discussion. Many factors contribute to the wider
picture, so I'm just giving my point of view:
Here in the Levant in general and in Israel in particular, the situation is
further complicated by the great changes in geographical environment, in
levels of urbanization and in density of population over time, plus the
fact that place names often received and still may receive different
spellings (both in Hebrew and in Arabic. Our languages are spelled with
consonants rather than with vowels - which is one reason why different
spellings occur and why different transitions into Latin spelling also
happen). Place names also may have changed considerably. This, plus the
usual differences in format, levels of information etc. lead to high
variation in label info.
This actually makes the verbatim label very important - interpretations can
go wrong, identification of localities and sometimes names of people can be
mistaken. Typing or scanning/photographing the original therefore gains
importance, alongside entering the requisite "corrections" that make a
database useful to current day users (say, for creating productive
geographical searches). Obviously, this sort of recording is very time
consuming and labor intensive, but ultimately it helps preserve specimen
information and even helps preserve historical aspects of natural history
collections.
It is a good question whether a scan or photo is enough to preserve this
kind of info. Since we are not yet at the point where (often handwritten)
texts within images can be easily and reliably searched, I'm currently
still in favor of adding the verbatim info into a database.
Best wishes,
Gali
?????? ??? ??, 20 ????? 2021, 21:18, ??? Derek Sikes ?<dssikes at alaska.edu>:
> Doug,
>
> Excellent points. Regarding #2 this is why our loan form states:
>
> NOTE: Data on the labels may not be correct/complete; The most accurate
> data are available via
> Arctos http://arctos.database.museum (or spreadsheet by request).
>
> Although I wonder how many people actually read loan forms. I always offer
> to check over the draft ms of anyone publishing using our specimens. I can
> often find errors that the borrower made while transcribing our labels
> (which many still do, despite the specimens already being databased and the
> data easily available).
>
> Regarding verbatim label data - I'm more in favor of it being preserved
> than you are (but I do a poor job of actually preserving it, other than
> relatively rare photos of labels). I think the risk of people being
> confused by the verbatim being different than the parsed is not as great as
> you fear and will diminish further in time as people become increasingly
> used to digitized specimen data.
>
> I'm an outlier I'm sure in thinking of the labels on specimens as little
> more than 'worst-case scenario insurance against the loss of our digital
> data'. For most of our specimens the data for a specimen in our database is
> far more complete than what's on the labels (including photos of habitat,
> trap methods, links to publications that used the specimen, links to DNA
> sequences, remarks about the condition of the specimen, identification
> remarks, links to the keys used to ID the specimens, etc.).
>
> And even worse... how many type localities are wrong?
>
> -Derek
>
> On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 9:39 AM Douglas Yanega <dyanega at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm ambivalent regarding verbatim label data, because it can be extremely
>> helpful in some cases, and extremely damaging in others.
>>
>> Some of you may recall my having given talks, or unhappy comments at
>> meetings, regarding the empirical data on error rates on original labels of
>> insect specimens. It's pretty disheartening; across tens of thousands of
>> specimens in roughly 10 major entomological museums assayed, somewhere
>> between 15-20% of all original labels had data omissions or errors
>> requiring correction prior to georeferencing. While a fair percentage of
>> these are omissions that are easily fixed, or obvious typos, roughly half
>> either cannot be fixed (e.g., a place name that occurs in more than one
>> county, like "Sulphur Springs, Arkansas"), or are errors that MUST be fixed
>> but are not immediately obvious.
>>
>> Such statements have been known to provoke people to roll their eyes at
>> me, thinking that I overstate the problem, but it's a genuine issue, and
>> includes lines of evidence that aren't immediately obvious, such as
>> comparing labels produced by different people who were collecting together.
>> Just as a "tip-of-the-iceberg" example, consider these data labels,
>> produced by six professional researchers from several high-profile
>> entomology museums on an NSF-funded field trip to Mexico:
>>
>> Chihuahua, 72 km NE Chihuahua, El Carrion, 27-VIII-91
>> Chihuahua, El Corrion, 72 km NE Chihuahua, 27-VIII-91
>> Chihuahua, El Morrion, 67 km NW Chihuahua, 27-VIII-91, 1200 m
>> Chihuahua, 67 km N El Morrion, 27-VIII-91
>> Chihuahua, 67 km N El Morrion, 27-III-91
>> Chihuahua, 74 km NE Chihuahua, 27-VIII-91
>>
>> These labels all refer to the exact same collecting event, yet you'll
>> note that no two are the same. You'll also note that *in the absence of
>> the comparison*, none of them has an obvious error.
>>
>> Worse still, *they are all wrong*. The actual data for this particular
>> collecting event are
>>
>> Chihuahua, El Morrion, 67 km NE Chihuahua, 27-VIII-91, 1200 m
>>
>> As such, the six labels produced had (1) and (2) the wrong mileage *and*
>> the wrong place name (3) the wrong cardinal direction (4) the wrong
>> reference point (5) the wrong reference point and the wrong month, and (6)
>> the wrong mileage. Note also that the georeferences generated for these six
>> labels result in two points that are 67 km from the actual location, and
>> one over 100 km off.
>>
>> When you look specifically for examples like this, with multiple
>> collectors' data used side-by-side to evaluate label accuracy, it's
>> frightening how poorly people do. It also means that treating verbatim
>> label data as *inherently trustworthy* is a serious mistake. As data
>> suppliers and consumers, we need to be far more critical. Label data
>> underlies so much of people's research, and if we supply or use bad data,
>> that undermines the quality of the resulting research.
>>
>> The question is whether we are better off displaying the verbatim data,
>> or not, and to me that depends on whether serious quality control has or
>> has not *already been exercised*.
>>
>> My points are these:
>>
>> (1) If the process of data capture is limited to entering verbatim label
>> data and then simply parsing it out into other fields, it is much less
>> likely that the data capture person is going to notice those labels that
>> are in that roughly 10% where the data are wrong but it isn't obvious. If
>> the process of data capture only uses verbatim data as the starting point,
>> however, then the person trying to make sense of a label by georeferencing
>> it themselves is relatively more likely to view it critically, and catch
>> any errors.
>>
>> (2) If we assume for the moment that you have done the right thing, and
>> fixed an error, how are users of your data going to know which version of
>> the data they should trust? If a specimen has verbatim data listing a
>> country or state or county or mileage or direction that is *not the same
>> as the parsed data*, is that not going to confuse them, if they notice
>> the discrepancy?
>>
>> (3) My overall feeling is that including verbatim data is only genuinely
>> beneficial to users if quality control has NOT been applied, AND if
>> external users have a reliable way to communicate with the data providers
>> to *report an error and get it fixed*. In other words, having *bad*
>> verbatim data made visible makes it more likely that external users will
>> find errors. If quality control HAS been applied, and the data are clean,
>> then the discrepancy between verbatim and parsed data only stands to
>> confuse external users. Given that the specimens will have a GUID label,
>> any discrepancy between what the data labels say and what the parsed data
>> say won't be a problem, because the data labels are not what you'll refer
>> to when tracking a specimen down.
>>
>> It's a complex issue.
>>
>> --
>> Doug Yanega Dept. of Entomology Entomology Research Museum
>> Univ. of California, Riverside, CA 92521-0314 skype: dyanega
>> phone: (951) 827-4315 (disclaimer: opinions are mine, not UCR's)
>> https://faculty.ucr.edu/~heraty/yanega.html
>> "There are some enterprises in which a careful disorderliness
>> is the true method" - Herman Melville, Moby Dick, Chap. 82
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nhcoll-l mailing list
>> Nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
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>> _______________________________________________
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>> Natural History Collections (SPNHC), an international society whose
>> mission is to improve the preservation, conservation and management of
>> natural history collections to ensure their continuing value to
>> society. See http://www.spnhc.org for membership information.
>> Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate.
>>
>
>
> --
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> *Derek S. Sikes*, Curator of Insects, Professor of Entomology
> University of Alaska Museum (UAM)
> University of Alaska Fairbanks
> 1962 Yukon Drive, Fairbanks, AK 99775-6960
> dssikes at alaska.edu phone: 907-474-6278
> he/him/his
> University of Alaska Museum <https://www.uaf.edu/museum/collections/ento/>
> - search 357,704 digitized arthropod records
> <http://arctos.database.museum/uam_ento>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> Interested in Alaskan Entomology? Join the Alaska Entomological
> Society and / or sign up for the email listserv "Alaska Entomological
> Network" at
> http://www.akentsoc.org/contact_us
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> Advertising on NH-COLL-L is inappropriate.
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From: "Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace)" <Tonya.Haff at csiro.au>
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Hello all,
I am wondering if any of you have opinions on the utility of separating collections into different vaults/rooms, or of housing them all together in one large space? We are planning a new building, and there have been some questions regarding the utility and point of keeping similar collections (e.g. bird and mammal skins) separated (they are housed in different vaults now). From my perspective, it seems that keeping collection types separate is useful for several reasons, including reducing the risk of pest spread between collections, and ease of workflow for researchers and staff working in different collections. But perhaps there are great advantages (here's one - a bit of extra space from the lack of an internal dividing wall) to housing everything in one large space that I haven't thought of? Have any of you moved to or away from housing different taxa together, and if so what have you found? Advice and opinions very much appreciated!
Cheers,
Tonya
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Tonya
I think like collections that require the same environmental conditions could just as easily be stored in the same room as long as there is separation of the two collections to allow for proper management of the collection. We have birds, mammals and entomology stored in the same room in our storage building but the collections are physically separated on compactor carriages to ensure adequate collection management by the individual collection managers and provide some level of autonomy for each collection in the way the specimens are shelved and managed. This would not necessarily need to be true for multiple collections managed by the same person or people. The same is true of our wet collections where ichthyology, herpetology, mammalogy, ornithology, invertebrate zoology and entomology are all stored within the same wet storage facility. Granted in this case there is floor separation for most collection with each collection on its own floor except for one floor which is a mix
of collections ? but all within their own compactor carriage runs.
I think it makes more sense to separate collections by type (wet, dry, paleo, etc.) rather than discipline for storage.
Andy
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Ichthyology Collection Manager
University of Kansas
Biodiversity Institute
Dyche Hall
1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
USA
Tel: (785) 864-3863
Fax: (785) 864-5335
Email: abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
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Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 3:07 PM
To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] specimen vault vs vaults
Hello all,
I am wondering if any of you have opinions on the utility of separating collections into different vaults/rooms, or of housing them all together in one large space? We are planning a new building, and there have been some questions regarding the utility and point of keeping similar collections (e.g. bird and mammal skins) separated (they are housed in different vaults now). From my perspective, it seems that keeping collection types separate is useful for several reasons, including reducing the risk of pest spread between collections, and ease of workflow for researchers and staff working in different collections. But perhaps there are great advantages (here's one - a bit of extra space from the lack of an internal dividing wall) to housing everything in one large space that I haven't thought of? Have any of you moved to or away from housing different taxa together, and if so what have you found? Advice and opinions very much appreciated!
Cheers,
Tonya
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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 23:46:51 +0200
From: Dirk Neumann <neumann at snsb.de>
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Hi Tonya,
if you are in an area with high fire risk, separating collections into
smaller compartments with internal firewalls makes sense. This is how
our collection is organised. Connecting aisles narrow at one point that
can be cut-off by fire protection doors.
As the Cape Town fire showed once again, entire collections can be lost
fast. Most valuable items were stored in a vault, but they couldn't
check so far if the specimens in there survived the blaze.
The collection in Brussels is organised in the same way; even inside the
storage room, there are branching compartments that can be blocked
automatically in case of an fire.
Hope this helps
Dirk
Am 20.04.2021 um 22:07 schrieb Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace):
> Hello all,
>
> I am wondering if any of you have opinions on the utility of
> separating collections into different vaults/rooms, or of housing them
> all together in one large space? We are planning a new building, and
> there have been some questions regarding the utility and point of
> keeping similar collections (e.g. bird and mammal skins) separated
> (they are housed in different vaults now). From my perspective, it
> seems that keeping collection types separate is useful for several
> reasons, including reducing the risk of pest spread between
> collections, and ease of workflow for researchers and staff working in
> different collections. But perhaps there are great advantages (here's
> one - a bit of extra space from the lack of an internal dividing wall)
> to housing everything in one large space that I haven't thought of?
> Have any of you moved to or away from housing different taxa together,
> and if so what have you found? Advice and opinions very much appreciated!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tonya
>
>
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From: Jean-Marc Gagnon <JMGAGNON at nature.ca>
To: "Bentley, Andrew Charles" <abentley at ku.edu>, "Haff, Tonya (NCMI,
Crace)" <Tonya.Haff at csiro.au>, "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu"
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Tonya,
At the Natural Heritage Campus of the Canadian Museum of Nature, there are a number of strategic separations between collections that were recommended (or imposed by law) by conservators and other specialists.
As you mentioned, pest management would suggest that collections that are susceptible to similar pest attacks should be kept apart so that if one gets an outbreak, the other(s) is(are) not so close that the pests can quickly spread to it(them). For that reason, we kept our Botany Collection far from our Insect and Bird/Mammal collections. While the Insect and Bird/Mammal collection share the same environmental conditions (and same system), they are in separate rooms, with limited risks of pest spreading between these two rooms (all adjacent walls are sealed all around, with no direct door passage).
The second important reason for creating separate rooms instead of a large shared space with separate compactor sets is fire. The larger the room, the larger the risk of a fire spreading to all the collections in that room. While collections kept in modern, sealed cabinets may not be the source of a spreading fire, all the material and furniture not stored in cabinets (including documentation) can serve to facilitate the spreading of fire. Even with an excellent fire suppression system, the damage from smoke or water can be significant and the more collections sharing that space, the greater the risk of damaging each of them.
For fluid-preserved collections, the response from our local fire department was very simple (and logical) when we designed the building: they would not enter a large space where alcohol is stored in a large number of containers. In other words, if fire was to start in a large room with lots of alcohol, they would not risk their lives; they would let it burn and let the fire suppression system try to deal with it?
For that reason, they recommended we limit the size of each room to house a maximum of 20K litres of ethanol (with two exception for the barrel room and extra-large tank room). Of course each room is adjacent to one another, sharing the same environmental conditions and system, but with walls and doors rated to withhold a fire for 2 hours.
We have been in our building for 24 years and these approaches have served us well. No regrets.
I hope that helps.
Jean-Marc
Jean-Marc Gagnon, Ph.D.
Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist
Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef
Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature
613 364 4066
613 851-7556 cell
613 364 4027 Fax
jmgagnon at nature.ca<mailto:jmgagnon at nature.ca>
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Sent: April 20, 2021 4:59 PM
To: Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) <Tonya.Haff at csiro.au>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] specimen vault vs vaults
Tonya
I think like collections that require the same environmental conditions could just as easily be stored in the same room as long as there is separation of the two collections to allow for proper management of the collection. We have birds, mammals and entomology stored in the same room in our storage building but the collections are physically separated on compactor carriages to ensure adequate collection management by the individual collection managers and provide some level of autonomy for each collection in the way the specimens are shelved and managed. This would not necessarily need to be true for multiple collections managed by the same person or people. The same is true of our wet collections where ichthyology, herpetology, mammalogy, ornithology, invertebrate zoology and entomology are all stored within the same wet storage facility. Granted in this case there is floor separation for most collection with each collection on its own floor except for one floor which is a mix
of collections ? but all within their own compactor carriage runs.
I think it makes more sense to separate collections by type (wet, dry, paleo, etc.) rather than discipline for storage.
Andy
A : A : A :
}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?>
V V V
Andy Bentley
Ichthyology Collection Manager
University of Kansas
Biodiversity Institute
Dyche Hall
1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
USA
Tel: (785) 864-3863
Fax: (785) 864-5335
Email: abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu<http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu/>
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Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 3:07 PM
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] specimen vault vs vaults
Hello all,
I am wondering if any of you have opinions on the utility of separating collections into different vaults/rooms, or of housing them all together in one large space? We are planning a new building, and there have been some questions regarding the utility and point of keeping similar collections (e.g. bird and mammal skins) separated (they are housed in different vaults now). From my perspective, it seems that keeping collection types separate is useful for several reasons, including reducing the risk of pest spread between collections, and ease of workflow for researchers and staff working in different collections. But perhaps there are great advantages (here's one - a bit of extra space from the lack of an internal dividing wall) to housing everything in one large space that I haven't thought of? Have any of you moved to or away from housing different taxa together, and if so what have you found? Advice and opinions very much appreciated!
Cheers,
Tonya
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 14:31:59 +0000
From: Carolyn Leckie <cleckie at nature.ca>
To: Jean-Marc Gagnon <JMGAGNON at nature.ca>, "Bentley, Andrew Charles"
<abentley at ku.edu>, "Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace)" <Tonya.Haff at csiro.au>,
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Hi Tonya
I am just following up from Jean Marc?s excellent comments about our Natural Heritage Campus (NHC) at the Canadian Museum of Nature.
While your question was about the internal organization of collections, I wanted to highlight another relatively simple but brilliant design feature of our NHC ? 2 building envelopes. It has been a critical, ?passive? design feature in our building. This ?passive? design feature, has probably been foundation of the tremendous preservation success of our building. The exterior building envelope is tightly sealed (no windows, only fire exits) and access is tightly controlled through a secure loading dock, which leads into a pest management and isolation area. The collection storage ranges are further protected by a 2nd interior building envelope. The double wall creates a ?buffer space? and or corridor around the collection storage pods. Labs are located across the hall from the collections. The 2nd wall around the collections, provide additional security and pest control and ensure a more stable climate. All overhead water pipes and plumbing are routed in the corridor rather than
over the collections. Only the fire suppression system goes directly over the collections.
Obviously, for future builds, environmental sustainability is a growing concern. I would like to explore with a building engineer, the potential of a very well insulated, double building envelop system, combined with zoning/grouping collections by environmental specifications. I suspect a well insulated system, could further reduce energy consumption and possible enable night time HVAC shut offs. Any improvements that can be made with passive building design, would obviously pay off many fold in the future.
Finally, over the years I have come to appreciate, the importance of anticipating building failure modes and planning for these issues during the initial design. For us routing overhead water pipes around the collections is an positive example of this, as we all know water pipes will eventually fail. But we have equally had some hard lessons about ?air intake? when systems fail or what happens when a boiler needs to be replaced. Just some thoughts to keep in mind.
I hope that helps, good luck with your building
Carolyn Leckie
PS I think a senior head of CSIRO collections visited our facility a couple of years ago and I and our VP Mark Graham, toured him through the our facility and discussed these and many other design details.
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Tonya,
At the Natural Heritage Campus of the Canadian Museum of Nature, there are a number of strategic separations between collections that were recommended (or imposed by law) by conservators and other specialists.
As you mentioned, pest management would suggest that collections that are susceptible to similar pest attacks should be kept apart so that if one gets an outbreak, the other(s) is(are) not so close that the pests can quickly spread to it(them). For that reason, we kept our Botany Collection far from our Insect and Bird/Mammal collections. While the Insect and Bird/Mammal collection share the same environmental conditions (and same system), they are in separate rooms, with limited risks of pest spreading between these two rooms (all adjacent walls are sealed all around, with no direct door passage).
The second important reason for creating separate rooms instead of a large shared space with separate compactor sets is fire. The larger the room, the larger the risk of a fire spreading to all the collections in that room. While collections kept in modern, sealed cabinets may not be the source of a spreading fire, all the material and furniture not stored in cabinets (including documentation) can serve to facilitate the spreading of fire. Even with an excellent fire suppression system, the damage from smoke or water can be significant and the more collections sharing that space, the greater the risk of damaging each of them.
For fluid-preserved collections, the response from our local fire department was very simple (and logical) when we designed the building: they would not enter a large space where alcohol is stored in a large number of containers. In other words, if fire was to start in a large room with lots of alcohol, they would not risk their lives; they would let it burn and let the fire suppression system try to deal with it?
For that reason, they recommended we limit the size of each room to house a maximum of 20K litres of ethanol (with two exception for the barrel room and extra-large tank room). Of course each room is adjacent to one another, sharing the same environmental conditions and system, but with walls and doors rated to withhold a fire for 2 hours.
We have been in our building for 24 years and these approaches have served us well. No regrets.
I hope that helps.
Jean-Marc
Jean-Marc Gagnon, Ph.D.
Curator, Invertebrate Collections / Chief Scientist
Conservateur, Collection des invert?br?s / Expert scientifique en chef
Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature
613 364 4066
613 851-7556 cell
613 364 4027 Fax
jmgagnon at nature.ca<mailto:jmgagnon at nature.ca>
Adresse postale / Postal Address:
Canadian Museum of Nature / Mus?e canadien de la nature
P.O. Box 3443, Sta. D / Casier Postal 3443, Succ. D
Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4 / Ottawa, ON K1P 6P4
Canada / Canada
Adresse de livraison / Courier Address :
1740 Pink Road, Gatineau, QC, J9J 3N7
From: Nhcoll-l [mailto:nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu] On Behalf Of Bentley, Andrew Charles
Sent: April 20, 2021 4:59 PM
To: Haff, Tonya (NCMI, Crace) <Tonya.Haff at csiro.au>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu
Subject: [EXT]Re: [Nhcoll-l] specimen vault vs vaults
Tonya
I think like collections that require the same environmental conditions could just as easily be stored in the same room as long as there is separation of the two collections to allow for proper management of the collection. We have birds, mammals and entomology stored in the same room in our storage building but the collections are physically separated on compactor carriages to ensure adequate collection management by the individual collection managers and provide some level of autonomy for each collection in the way the specimens are shelved and managed. This would not necessarily need to be true for multiple collections managed by the same person or people. The same is true of our wet collections where ichthyology, herpetology, mammalogy, ornithology, invertebrate zoology and entomology are all stored within the same wet storage facility. Granted in this case there is floor separation for most collection with each collection on its own floor except for one floor which is a mix
of collections ? but all within their own compactor carriage runs.
I think it makes more sense to separate collections by type (wet, dry, paleo, etc.) rather than discipline for storage.
Andy
A : A : A :
}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<(((_?>.,.,.,.}<)))_?>
V V V
Andy Bentley
Ichthyology Collection Manager
University of Kansas
Biodiversity Institute
Dyche Hall
1345 Jayhawk Boulevard
Lawrence, KS, 66045-7561
USA
Tel: (785) 864-3863
Fax: (785) 864-5335
Email: abentley at ku.edu<mailto:abentley at ku.edu>
http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu<http://ichthyology.biodiversity.ku.edu/>
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Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 3:07 PM
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] specimen vault vs vaults
Hello all,
I am wondering if any of you have opinions on the utility of separating collections into different vaults/rooms, or of housing them all together in one large space? We are planning a new building, and there have been some questions regarding the utility and point of keeping similar collections (e.g. bird and mammal skins) separated (they are housed in different vaults now). From my perspective, it seems that keeping collection types separate is useful for several reasons, including reducing the risk of pest spread between collections, and ease of workflow for researchers and staff working in different collections. But perhaps there are great advantages (here's one - a bit of extra space from the lack of an internal dividing wall) to housing everything in one large space that I haven't thought of? Have any of you moved to or away from housing different taxa together, and if so what have you found? Advice and opinions very much appreciated!
Cheers,
Tonya
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 16:00:29 +0000
From: "Hawks, Catharine" <HawksC at si.edu>
To: Carolyn Leckie <cleckie at nature.ca>, Jean-Marc Gagnon
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Hi Tonya
I agree with Carolyn. If it is in your power to create storage that fits the criteria she outlines, you are apt to greatly increase energy efficiency, reduce reliance on building systems that often fail, and if you also put your collections, to the extent possible, in good powder-coated steel cabinets on compactors, you'll have secure and accessible collection storage as well a immense potential for long-term preservation.
Cathy
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Hi Tonya
I am just following up from Jean Marc's excellent comments about our Natural Heritage Campus (NHC) at the Canadian Museum of Nature.
While your question was about the internal organization of collections, I wanted to highlight another relatively simple but brilliant design feature of our NHC - 2 building envelopes. It has been a critical, "passive" design feature in our building. This "passive" design feature, has probably been foundation of the tremendous preservation success of our building. The exterior building envelope is tightly sealed (no windows, only fire exits) and access is tightly controlled through a secure loading dock, which leads into a pest management and isolation area. The collection storage ranges are further protected by a 2nd interior building envelope. The double wall creates a "buffer space" and or corridor around the collection storage pods. Labs are located across the hall from the collections. The 2nd wall around the collections, provide additional security and pest control and ensure a more stable climate. All overhead water pipes and plumbing are routed in the corridor rather than
over the collections. Only the fire suppression system goes directly over the collections.
Obviously, for future builds, environmental sustainability is a growing concern. I would like to explore with a building engineer, the potential of a very well insulated, double building envelop system, combined with zoning/grouping collections by environmental specifications. I suspect a well insulated system, could further reduce energy consumption and possible enable night time HVAC shut offs. Any improvements that can be made with passive building design, would obviously pay off many fold in the future.
Finally, over the years I have come to appreciate, the importance of anticipating building failure modes and planning for these issues during the initial design. For us routing overhead water pipes around the collections is an positive example of this, as we all know water pipes will eventually fail. But we have equally had some hard lessons about "air intake" when systems fail or what happens when a boiler needs to be replaced. Just some thoughts to keep in mind.
I hope that helps, good luck with your building
Carolyn Leckie
PS I think a senior head of CSIRO collections visited our facility a couple of years ago and I and our VP Mark Graham, toured him through the our facility and discussed these and many other design details.
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Tonya,
At the Natural Heritage Campus of the Canadian Museum of Nature, there are a number of strategic separations between collections that were recommended (or imposed by law) by conservators and other specialists.
As you mentioned, pest management would suggest that collections that are susceptible to similar pest attacks should be kept apart so that if one gets an outbreak, the other(s) is(are) not so close that the pests can quickly spread to it(them). For that reason, we kept our Botany Collection far from our Insect and Bird/Mammal collections. While the Insect and Bird/Mammal collection share the same environmental conditions (and same system), they are in separate rooms, with limited risks of pest spreading between these two rooms (all adjacent walls are sealed all around, with no direct door passage).
The second important reason for creating separate rooms instead of a large shared space with separate compactor sets is fire. The larger the room, the larger the risk of a fire spreading to all the collections in that room. While collections kept in modern, sealed cabinets may not be the source of a spreading fire, all the material and furniture not stored in cabinets (including documentation) can serve to facilitate the spreading of fire. Even with an excellent fire suppression system, the damage from smoke or water can be significant and the more collections sharing that space, the greater the risk of damaging each of them.
For fluid-preserved collections, the response from our local fire department was very simple (and logical) when we designed the building: they would not enter a large space where alcohol is stored in a large number of containers. In other words, if fire was to start in a large room with lots of alcohol, they would not risk their lives; they would let it burn and let the fire suppression system try to deal with it...
For that reason, they recommended we limit the size of each room to house a maximum of 20K litres of ethanol (with two exception for the barrel room and extra-large tank room). Of course each room is adjacent to one another, sharing the same environmental conditions and system, but with walls and doors rated to withhold a fire for 2 hours.
We have been in our building for 24 years and these approaches have served us well. No regrets.
I hope that helps.
Jean-Marc
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Tonya
I think like collections that require the same environmental conditions could just as easily be stored in the same room as long as there is separation of the two collections to allow for proper management of the collection. We have birds, mammals and entomology stored in the same room in our storage building but the collections are physically separated on compactor carriages to ensure adequate collection management by the individual collection managers and provide some level of autonomy for each collection in the way the specimens are shelved and managed. This would not necessarily need to be true for multiple collections managed by the same person or people. The same is true of our wet collections where ichthyology, herpetology, mammalogy, ornithology, invertebrate zoology and entomology are all stored within the same wet storage facility. Granted in this case there is floor separation for most collection with each collection on its own floor except for one floor which is a mix
of collections - but all within their own compactor carriage runs.
I think it makes more sense to separate collections by type (wet, dry, paleo, etc.) rather than discipline for storage.
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] specimen vault vs vaults
Hello all,
I am wondering if any of you have opinions on the utility of separating collections into different vaults/rooms, or of housing them all together in one large space? We are planning a new building, and there have been some questions regarding the utility and point of keeping similar collections (e.g. bird and mammal skins) separated (they are housed in different vaults now). From my perspective, it seems that keeping collection types separate is useful for several reasons, including reducing the risk of pest spread between collections, and ease of workflow for researchers and staff working in different collections. But perhaps there are great advantages (here's one - a bit of extra space from the lack of an internal dividing wall) to housing everything in one large space that I haven't thought of? Have any of you moved to or away from housing different taxa together, and if so what have you found? Advice and opinions very much appreciated!
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 04:11:15 +0000
From: "Maguire, Keith (SAM)" <Keith.Maguire at samuseum.sa.gov.au>
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Cold storage of study skins and mounts?
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Hi Everyone
We at the South Australian Museum are about to relocate the majority of our mammal study skins and ornithology and mammal mounts.
The possibility of storing them in cold (6-10? C) storage has been raised.
Is anyone storing their study skins and/or mounts in cold storage? Or did anyone consider it and then reject the idea?
Thanks
Keith
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 08:38:11 +0100
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Booking open - Natural Sciences Collections
Association (NatSCA) virtual conference 27-28 May 2021
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*Booking Now Open for #NatSCA2021: Changing the World: Environmental
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The NatSCA 2021 conference will take place on 27th and 28th May, online via
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? see the NatSCA website for programme, tickets and further details:
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The #NatSCA2021 conference will explore the role of natural science
collections in addressing or engaging with one of the planet?s biggest
issues - environmental breakdown; as well as sharing other exciting
developments from the sector.
The conference will include an engaging range of keynotes, presentations,
panel discussions, quick-fire ideas, lightning talks and virtual tours.
Places are free for members ? a promo code to unlock a ticket will be
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NatSCA has also made a small number of free tickets available for unwaged
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 15:22:45 +0000
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Digital Asset Management consultants
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Hi, all -
Looking for recommendations of any consultants your institution has worked with on integrating a Digital Asset Management system, and/or a digital preservation system, with your CMS. Bonus points for integrations with EMu. Much thanks in advance for your help on this DAM project.
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 09:49:22 +0000
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] FW: News and updates on the 2021 AIC/SPNHC Virtual
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News and updates on the 2021 AIC/SPNHC Virtual Annual Meeting
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Dear Natural Science Community,
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The dedicated conference site<https://learning.culturalheritage.org/aic2021> for our joint 2021 virtual meeting is now live. Through this site, you will be able to access live and recorded sessions, view the virtual expo hall, get answers to your technical questions, and view the poster sessions ? to name just a few activities! SPNHC-focused content can also be checked out at https://learning.culturalheritage.org/aic2021-spnhc-guide. There is still time to register, and currently more than 1,500 attendees will be joining us from around the world.
In addition to the scheduled sessions the SPNHC Conference team have been planning some additional events and social activities to both support the conference and offer a chance for delegates to meet and mix in a virtual way! So, look out for (all times EDT): -
* The SPNHC Opening Mixer via Kumospace -an opportunity to meet and chat in an informal and fun way via the Kumospace app. 7th May 5.00pm.
* SPNHC Emerging Professionals Happy Houra great opportunity to meet and connect with fellow emerging professionals and established colleagues to share experiences and challenges. 13th May 5.30pm.
* SPNHC Social Hour Enjoy a beverage of choice and meet up with colleagues across the world. 24th May 9.00am.
* Virtual Collections Tours. A series of invited tours from collections from around the world running weekly from the 26th May (see conference program for further details).
* SPNHC Committee Meetings will be running from the 17 - 21 May (further details will be sent to members).
* SPNHC Annual Business Meeting. For current SPNHC membership. 27th May 9.30am - 11.30am.
* ?Old Croone Day' Social. A 'Pub hour' to celebrate all things fluid preserved, and our collections as a whole! The 4th June marks the day when William Croone presented the first fluid preserved specimens to the Royal Society in 1662. 4th June 5.00pm.
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* Special Interest Groups - Open Session. An opportunity to host a discussion on topics raised from the conference. 25th June 12.00pm.
Registration - which includes access to all sessions - is $175 for AIC and SPNHC members and $205 for non-members. Recognizing today's difficult times, AIC is offering complimentary registrations to citizens of lower- income nations, tribal preservation officers, and unemployed or under-employed society members. Visit the AIC Attendees Assisting Attendees webpage for more information and to apply.
We are excited to embark on this learning journey together, united as a community without national borders or barriers to participation, and to welcoming you to the conference.
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 13:26:46 +0000
From: "Conrad, Cyler Norman" <cylerc at lanl.gov>
To: "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Galapagos tortoises & radionuclides
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Hi everyone,
I hope this email finds you well. I am not a list member, but a colleague suggested that this list might be able to help answer a couple of questions...
Currently, my colleagues and I are trying to track down specimens of Galapagos tortoise. We're familiar with the tortoises listed through Arctos and VertNet, and of course the main institutions with large collections (Smithsonian, Cal Academy, AMNH, Field Museum, etc.). However, we suspect there are more tortoises out there...if possible, would you mind reaching out if you do have Galapagos tortoise collections?
Also, as part of a project tracing the legacy of anthropogenic radionuclides (see here: http://news.unm.edu/news/unm-lanl-to-study-radioactive-elements-in-tortoises), we are also searching for collections of organisms curated from sites with potential radionuclide releases into the environment. So, animals collected from the Marshall Islands, or the Nevada Test Site, Hanford (WA), Oak Ridge (TN) or Savannah River (SC). Does anyone happen to have collections from those sites/locations? We are interesting in everything from turtles/tortoises, to fish, bees, and even mollusks.
Thanks so much!
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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 14:41:42 +0000
From: Jonathan Dunnum <jldunnum at unm.edu>
To: "Conrad, Cyler Norman" <cylerc at lanl.gov>,
"nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu" <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Galapagos tortoises & radionuclides
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Hey Cyler,
We have mammal specimens from the Galapagos, Nevada Test site and Savanna River, all are available via Arctos. Hope you are doing well up at LANL, Jon
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Jonathan L. Dunnum Ph.D.
Senior Collection Manager
Division of Mammals, Museum of Southwestern Biology
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque, NM 87131
(505) 277-9262
Fax (505) 277-1351
MSB Mammals website: http://www.msb.unm.edu/mammals/index.html
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/MSBDivisionofMammals
Shipping Address:
Museum of Southwestern Biology
Division of Mammals
University of New Mexico
CERIA Bldg 83, Room 204
Albuquerque, NM 87131
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of Conrad, Cyler Norman <cylerc at lanl.gov>
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 7:26 AM
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Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Galapagos tortoises & radionuclides
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Hi everyone,
I hope this email finds you well. I am not a list member, but a colleague suggested that this list might be able to help answer a couple of questions?
Currently, my colleagues and I are trying to track down specimens of Galapagos tortoise. We?re familiar with the tortoises listed through Arctos and VertNet, and of course the main institutions with large collections (Smithsonian, Cal Academy, AMNH, Field Museum, etc.). However, we suspect there are more tortoises out there?if possible, would you mind reaching out if you do have Galapagos tortoise collections?
Also, as part of a project tracing the legacy of anthropogenic radionuclides (see here: http://news.unm.edu/news/unm-lanl-to-study-radioactive-elements-in-tortoises), we are also searching for collections of organisms curated from sites with potential radionuclide releases into the environment. So, animals collected from the Marshall Islands, or the Nevada Test Site, Hanford (WA), Oak Ridge (TN) or Savannah River (SC). Does anyone happen to have collections from those sites/locations? We are interesting in everything from turtles/tortoises, to fish, bees, and even mollusks.
Thanks so much!
Cyler
--
*Telecommuting*
Cyler N. Conrad, PhD, RPA
Archaeologist, EPC-ES, Los Alamos National Laboratory
Adjunct Assistant Professor of Archaeology, University of New Mexico
Associate Editor, Journal of Ethnobiology<https://ethnobiology.org/publications/journal-of-ethnobiology>
o: (505) 667-0295
c: (505) 551-2043
cylerc at lanl.gov<mailto:cylerc at lanl.gov>
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:52:41 +0000
From: LAURA A MONAHAN <lmonahan2 at wisc.edu>
To: "Conrad, Cyler Norman" <cylerc at lanl.gov>,
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Good Afternoon, Cyler;
The University of Wisconsin-Madison Zoological Museum has Galapagos tortoises.
Our data are not fully available on-line and we are in the process of transferring all of our data to a new management system. In the meantime, I would be happy to provide information about our Galapagos specimens.
Thank you,
Laura
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Laura A. Monahan (she/her/hers)
Curator of Collections
University of Wisconsin Zoological Museum
L.E. Noland Zoology Building
250 North Mills Street
Madison, WI 53706
Website: https://uwzm.integrativebiology.wisc.edu/<http://www.zoology/wisc.edu/uwzm/index.html>
E-mail: lmonahan2 at wisc.edu
Phone: (608) 890-1790
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From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of Conrad, Cyler Norman <cylerc at lanl.gov>
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 8:26 AM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Galapagos tortoises & radionuclides
Hi everyone,
I hope this email finds you well. I am not a list member, but a colleague suggested that this list might be able to help answer a couple of questions?
Currently, my colleagues and I are trying to track down specimens of Galapagos tortoise. We?re familiar with the tortoises listed through Arctos and VertNet, and of course the main institutions with large collections (Smithsonian, Cal Academy, AMNH, Field Museum, etc.). However, we suspect there are more tortoises out there?if possible, would you mind reaching out if you do have Galapagos tortoise collections?
Also, as part of a project tracing the legacy of anthropogenic radionuclides (see here: http://news.unm.edu/news/unm-lanl-to-study-radioactive-elements-in-tortoises), we are also searching for collections of organisms curated from sites with potential radionuclide releases into the environment. So, animals collected from the Marshall Islands, or the Nevada Test Site, Hanford (WA), Oak Ridge (TN) or Savannah River (SC). Does anyone happen to have collections from those sites/locations? We are interesting in everything from turtles/tortoises, to fish, bees, and even mollusks.
Thanks so much!
Cyler
--
*Telecommuting*
Cyler N. Conrad, PhD, RPA
Archaeologist, EPC-ES, Los Alamos National Laboratory
Adjunct Assistant Professor of Archaeology, University of New Mexico
Associate Editor, Journal of Ethnobiology<https://ethnobiology.org/publications/journal-of-ethnobiology>
o: (505) 667-0295
c: (505) 551-2043
cylerc at lanl.gov<mailto:cylerc at lanl.gov>
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 19:28:19 +0000
From: James and Judy Bryant <jbandjb at live.com>
To: Jonathan Dunnum <jldunnum at unm.edu>, "Conrad, Cyler Norman"
<cylerc at lanl.gov>, "nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu"
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Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Galapagos tortoises & radionuclides
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Greetings Cyler.
The Honolulu Zoo has at least 2 live tortoises that I understand were dropped off in Hawaii in the 1920s (see attached). Also, the LA County MNH should have a mounted tortoise skeleton from the early 20th Century. The one I'm thinking of lived for a time on a ranch in Riverside CA.
Cool project! Be sure to send press materials to the SF New Mexican and the ABQ Journal.
James Bryant
Santa Fe NM
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From: Jonathan Dunnum<mailto:jldunnum at unm.edu>
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 4:41 AM
To: Conrad, Cyler Norman<mailto:cylerc at lanl.gov>; nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu<mailto:nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: Re: [Nhcoll-l] Galapagos tortoises & radionuclides
Hey Cyler,
We have mammal specimens from the Galapagos, Nevada Test site and Savanna River, all are available via Arctos. Hope you are doing well up at LANL, Jon
______________________________________________________________
Jonathan L. Dunnum Ph.D.
Senior Collection Manager
Division of Mammals, Museum of Southwestern Biology
University of New Mexico
Albuquerque, NM 87131
(505) 277-9262
Fax (505) 277-1351
MSB Mammals website: http://www.msb.unm.edu/mammals/index.html
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/MSBDivisionofMammals
Shipping Address:
Museum of Southwestern Biology
Division of Mammals
University of New Mexico
CERIA Bldg 83, Room 204
Albuquerque, NM 87131
________________________________
From: Nhcoll-l <nhcoll-l-bounces at mailman.yale.edu> on behalf of Conrad, Cyler Norman <cylerc at lanl.gov>
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 7:26 AM
To: nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu <nhcoll-l at mailman.yale.edu>
Subject: [Nhcoll-l] Galapagos tortoises & radionuclides
[EXTERNAL]
Hi everyone,
I hope this email finds you well. I am not a list member, but a colleague suggested that this list might be able to help answer a couple of questions?
Currently, my colleagues and I are trying to track down specimens of Galapagos tortoise. We?re familiar with the tortoises listed through Arctos and VertNet, and of course the main institutions with large collections (Smithsonian, Cal Academy, AMNH, Field Museum, etc.). However, we suspect there are more tortoises out there?if possible, would you mind reaching out if you do have Galapagos tortoise collections?
Also, as part of a project tracing the legacy of anthropogenic radionuclides (see here: http://news.unm.edu/news/unm-lanl-to-study-radioactive-elements-in-tortoises), we are also searching for collections of organisms curated from sites with potential radionuclide releases into the environment. So, animals collected from the Marshall Islands, or the Nevada Test Site, Hanford (WA), Oak Ridge (TN) or Savannah River (SC). Does anyone happen to have collections from those sites/locations? We are interesting in everything from turtles/tortoises, to fish, bees, and even mollusks.
Thanks so much!
Cyler
--
*Telecommuting*
Cyler N. Conrad, PhD, RPA
Archaeologist, EPC-ES, Los Alamos National Laboratory
Adjunct Assistant Professor of Archaeology, University of New Mexico
Associate Editor, Journal of Ethnobiology<https://ethnobiology.org/publications/journal-of-ethnobiology>
o: (505) 667-0295
c: (505) 551-2043
cylerc at lanl.gov<mailto:cylerc at lanl.gov>
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